Hi everyone!

I am so happy to be on this excursion with you all!

I have a question - when Rebecca (and Wally) say to avoid all other books, programs, and systems while doing this course, does this also include things like self-help and healing, etc?

I am asking because after years of suffering with a certain illness and trying/hoping to heal, I am now in touch with many different "change your life" books/"systems"/plans, of which SoGR is one of them - and what I hope to achieve with this venture is not only freedom and riches, but also healing spiritually, emotionally, and physically. I do believe, and have for a long time, that illness is painful emotions hidden in the cells of the body, and once we heal and let go of all that painful past, our bodies will heal as well. So my question is, since I am relatively new to SoGR, do you think doing SoGR will be enough, or do you think I should be doing other emotional healing work as well along side it? Or do you think I should do the emotional healing work only after finishing the course (if you feel an adjunct will be necessary to achieve my aims).

I have been the survivor of much abuse in my childhood, as well as throughout most of my adulthood (much of it at my own hands for feeling unworthy and undeserving of anything better) - and I am the world's top winner ("up til now" ) of self-sabotage.

Thank you for reading this, and I would appreciate any and all comments, ideas, and opinions.

Have a great Blessed day, everyone!

Love, Terry.

Hi dd,

I agree with you 99%. SOGR, when I read it was the most perfect work on this subject that I had ever encountered.

Yet, I still regressed into worry, fear and doubt at times.

After I read *The Ideal Made Real* by Christian D. Larson thhp://www.geocities.com/arfapha/IdealMadeRead/IdealMadeReal.htm, I got the endless reassurance that my brain needed to get over the hump I had about forgiveness, worry, faith, etc.

It took 142 pages and 3 readings before my mental system could tell itself that it was O.K. to be free to accept this kind of thought all the way.

I was the type of person who thought it was my duty to worry, panic, etc. at all times. I also thought it was important to cling to righteous indignation. I was not a mean or bad person, however, I was so much in the habit of thinking like this, that it was hard to shake it (and still is, sometimes).

The Larson book presented an elaborate set of reasons why it was in my best interest to give this kind of thinking up forever. Wattles did too. The thing I have always loved about Wattles was that he was so terse, however, my mind was not going to let go of a lifetime of habits (immediately) on a few sentences -- I needed a little more.

The thing Terry needs to do is to start forgiving and forgetting her unhappy past. It is possible that I could challenge her if we were do play a "who has had more unpleasent misfortunes in their past" game.

Larson talks ad nauseum about the freedom that forgiveness brings, and why it is impossible to blame. Two of the people in my life who have abused me the most have been turned into allies, helpers, compassionate friends.

Use SOGR as your blueprint. Other materials can be critical to creating your masterpiece. It is important to chose the right ones.

For some of us, and I include myself in this group, need to spend a significant amount of time to change.

Your idea, dd, to stick to this work is postive and absolute perfection.

Terry, everyone, me most of all must stop thinking about what has gone on before. We must stop seeing what is not working and see what is working and what is right.

Get in the flow. I have been there before and it is the best place to be. Get into the flow.

Love and peace,
Lisa

Hi Terry,
Good Question(s)....Wattles in SOGR highly recommends (actually says.."DO NOT read magazines or books which teach a different idea.") NOT reading or studying other systems of getting rich.
I think this is generally good advice...because as we all know there are now literally HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of methods, systems, etc on both self-improvement and wealth building. This has created a whole generation of self improvemant junkies! And after all these books, methods, and sytems how much has improved? You see its SO EASY to go on to the NEXT attractive idea...buy into the next ad you read..etc etc ( as you think to yourself something like...well what Im doing isnt working so well so MAYBE this new thing will work)!!!! All the while never giving anything a true chance. With all the busyness in todays life its hard enough to FOCUS on a program and follow it to completion without the added distraction of always looking around for something better. (We all know that a relationship has NO CHANCE if you dont commit to ONE person....rather than just kinda playing along untill something better shows up...its doomed from the beginning.....well its like that with any improvement or change you are trying to make...FOCUS and COMMIT to SOGR as a way of creating wealth( in ALLS its definitions).
Having said all that....I understand what you are saying in reference to the emotional side of improvement or recovery (and self sabatoge).
There is a book I would highly recommend to you that does NOT in any way conflict with SOGR and IS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE in dealing with your self sabatoge and false concepts. Its simple method is amazing. However I would rather not get involved with posting other books on this board...if you are interested please e-mail me.

Love & abundance,
Joe

Hi Terry,

Let's go over what Wattles really says:

Chapter 4: "You must lay aside all other concepts of the universe, and you must dwell upon this until it is fixed in your mind and has become your habitual thought. Read these statements over and over again. Fix every word upon your memory and meditate upon them until you firmly believe what they say. If a doubt comes to you, cast it aside. Do not listen to arguments against this idea. Do not go to churches or lectures where a contrary concept of things is taught or preached. Do not read magazines or books which teach a different idea. If you get mixed up in your understanding, belief, and faith, all your efforts will be in vain."

Chapter 9: "Do not read anything which fills your mind with gloomy images of want or suffering."

Chapter 10: "Commit it to memory, and do not think about other 'systems' and theories."

"Also, do not dabble in theosophy, spiritualism, or kindred studies. Perhaps the dead still live and are near, but if they are, let them alone; mind your own business."

I have a very dear friend that belongs to a religious organization that pointedly tells its followers that the world is becoming more evil every day, that the devil rules the world, and that the only thing we should be looking forward to is the perfect life we will have in the hereafter -- and only if we belong to that particular religion. I think that is one of the things Wattles is talking about.

There are systems for getting rich out there that stress the importance of becoming ultra-competitive.

There are systems out there that stress the importance of spending the least amount of money possible and saving every penny to put into low-risk investments. You know what they are -- they try to teach you to like living with less and wanting less. Spend hours hunting for bargins, clipping coupons, collecting freebies, etc.

There are systems out there that use politics as a way gaining wealth.

And yes, there are systems out there that promote cheating and taking advantage of others -- and don't forget Enron, Tyco, Global Crossing, Arthur Anderson, etc.

There are systems that promote that a particular type of investment or profession as a way of getting rich.

There are many books out there in the self-help field that talk "woundology." I have taken that term from Caroline Myss. One of the many topics she discussess about illness (both mental and physical) is that it can be a way to avoid responsiblity and to control others.

I was very much boosted it the SOGR method by reading a book called *The Ideal Made Real* by Christian D. Larson.

He gets into much greater depth on the following concepts: forgiveness, love, emphazing the good, positive expression, gratitude, connection to God, faith in abundance and prosperity, never worry, faith in life, acting now, acting where you are, talking only health and happiness, removing illusion, holding the vision of success (the ideal).

Could other things you are interested in be considered talent development?

I hoped this helped a little.

Lisa

Hello there Terry.

The best thing I can recommend for you to handle your past emotional trauma is a system that actually allows you to COMPLETE all emotional trauma (which is not psychology).

THe system will NOT contradict, but rather work with TSOG.

It completely changed my life, set me free from my past and left me right where I need to be - in the present!

To check it out, you can visit www.landmarkeducation.com

Good luck!

HI Terry, My suggestion is to give this course your full attention. Leave no stone unturned here. We led ourselves into our present state of affairs and Wattles shows us how to uncover and change those things and shows us a way out, a Certain Way out. Here is a precious opportunity to unearth the beliefs behind not having felt so good about yourself in the past; an opportunity for a wonderful new you to emerge. Give it a chance to work, ok? We are all here with you ! ! ! Remember to feel grateful for all you've created in your life and grateful for a chance to change it.....................dd

Hi All, Dusty here.

I'm going slowly this time and I say this time because I have taken so many courses and seminars related to money ... well they just are get rich schemes mostly.

But that's not what I wanted to ask of you. I started taking the Sedona Method course a few weeks before starting SOGR. This course, a series of 20 lessons on cassette tapes, is about how to release. Release what? well, anything, old ideas, emotions, feelings, etc.

I thought that SOGR and Sedona Method would complement each other. After all, Mr. W's ideas require (me at least) to let go of some untrue and some damaging thoughts and feelings about money. I just finished Life Lesson #2.

So if anyone knows about the Sedona Method, would they comment on its use along with SOGR.

Thanks, and may the Universal force be with you all!

Hi Dusty,

I've been using the Sedona Method for a while myself. I think you'll find it very helpfull. It works with what ever you decide to direct it towards. And remember that going slow doesn't mean doing only a little, at least for me it means practicing a new technique or method until I can do it well and automaticaly before I go on to learn a new one.

Practice, practice, practice!
Dianne

Friends, do you recall that at the beginning of this course I asked you to commit NOT to getting into ANY other systems, books, etc. for the duration of this course?

Yes, some of the things that have been posted here are helpful (and in my own personal opinion there are some offered here that are not), but for the time we are doing this course, let's please keep focused.

If you were trying to lose weight and had committed to a specific course of eating and exercising, you might think, oh, it won't hurt to have this one little piece of cake -- or it won't hurt to skip working out today. But we all know where that leads. And IMHO this is no different.

You get to choose, of course. It's entirely up to you. But let's not fool ourselves by saying we are choosing one path and then doing something different. Fair enough?

Many blessings, and, of course--
EXPECT Success!
Rebecca

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Originally posted by Rebecca:
Friends, do you recall that at the beginning of this course I asked you to commit NOT to getting into ANY other systems, books, etc. for the duration of this course?

Yes, some of the things that have been posted here are helpful (and in my own personal opinion there are some offered here that are not), but for the time we are doing this course, let's please keep focused.

If you were trying to lose weight and had committed to a specific course of eating and exercising, you might think, oh, it won't hurt to have this one little piece of cake -- or it won't hurt to skip working out today. But we all know where that leads. And IMHO this is no different.

You get to choose, of course. It's entirely up to you. But let's not fool ourselves by saying we are choosing one path and then doing something different. Fair enough?

Many blessings, and, of course--
EXPECT Success!
Rebecca

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Rebecca, here's how I see it. Please correct me if I have misunderstood.

SOGR is about becoming rich, and my understanding of the book is that it is about material wealth so that we can pay for things and experiences that will allow the 'God within' us to enjoy life more fully.

However, if Terry is physically unwell, in need of healing, perhaps seeing a doctor or counsellor or other practitioner is necessary. The money needed for therapy is also necessary. Therefore Terry can continue to use SOGR principles to achieve financial wealth which will pay for the healing.

I agree with you Rebecca, about staying on track solely with SOGR for the moment until we are rich. Along the way, 'though, if we need healing, perhaps it is possible to find a healing path that does not require us to compromise our learning here. I need dental work for instance - no amount of SOGR is going to change the fact that I need a dentist, but SOGR WILL bring me the finances I need to pay that dentist.

Am I wrong not to see SOGR as a means to 'healing' as such? For me, it is tapping into the formless for riches, that is why I'm here. And I want to be rich to afford any therapy I may need. But I don't see SOGR as a 'healing' philosophy, (I got the impression that Terry was trying to heal deep wounds through SOGR)

I hope I made myself understood

Always riching
Marilyn

Hello Terry and All SOGR's.
I am quite interested in reading anything by John Randolph Price and find it compatable with SOGR. In his works he talks about changing our thinking from the lower mind to the Higher Mind (Creative Mind) and has much to say about choosing to BE, act and think from our Christ identity (being our True Self) not our human identity that of a survivor of sexual abuse or whatever life has given us up until now.
As someone who has been a bookaholic and a workshopaholic in the past I can understand Mr. Wattles request to stick with one system and to learn it thoroughly. But now that I am over that phase of searching and being a sponge and wanting to take in all information and now choosing to take in only that which is helpful and supportive to me. From the tone of your posting on this forum it seems that you need to look at trusting your own inner knowing as your first priority. This is not what we are taught in our society and it is the first place to empower ourselves. So precious person learn to trust yourself first and foremost. Ask within just what is right for you and trust, trust, trust. Love and Blessings.

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Originally posted by marilyn:
I agree with you Rebecca, about staying on track solely with SOGR for the moment until we are rich. Along the way, 'though, if we need healing, perhaps it is possible to find a healing path that does not require us to compromise our learning here. I need dental work for instance - no amount of SOGR is going to change the fact that I need a dentist, but SOGR WILL bring me the finances I need to pay that dentist.

Am I wrong not to see SOGR as a means to 'healing' as such? For me, it is tapping into the formless for riches, that is why I'm here. And I want to be rich to afford any therapy I may need. But I don't see SOGR as a 'healing' philosophy, (I got the impression that Terry was trying to heal deep wounds through SOGR)

I hope I made myself understood

Always riching
Marilyn

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No, I don't think we're disagreeing, Marilyn. But I do think we may be talking about different subjects!

I don't want to get into the position of saying, yes, this book/course/whatever is ok and this one isn't. Also, I do think that the word FOCUS -- which we need to do -- implies ONE center of attention rather than two or several.

So it may be that if someone needs to heal some aspect of his or her life, it would be wise not to focus on SOGR right now and take care of that first.

SOGR can be a wonderful introduction to the principles its based on, but it doesn't explain them all in detail. Mr. Wattles is clear that HIS focus here is on financial success, but he also says clearly that the reason SOGR is important is because it INCLUDES everything else and that we have to live fully in ALL areas of our lives -- body, mind, and spirit.

That implies balance, of course, and sometimes we believe that balance means an EQUAL focus on everything at once. But to my way of thinking that's not exactly correct or even possible. Sometimes we have to focus more in THIS area, sometimes in another. So balance takes place over a period of time.

It's like a seesaw. You can put a little tiny kid on one end and a great big kid on the other and have them balance perfectly -- depending on where you place the fulcrum.

So rather than have this become afree-for-all with everyone suggesting everything that's ever been helpful to them WHILE people are attempting to focus on this book/course, I do think it's wiser for us simply to follow Mr. Wattles' advice not to dabble in other systems (and he does mention quite a few areas, actually) until we are established in this one. That's why I asked for that commitment NOT to get into other stuff for the duration of the course. If someone needs to take a break from THIS in order to take care of something else first, that's no problem. The course will still be here when he or she is ready.

Many blessings, and, of course--
EXPECT Success!
Rebecca