Pre-Destined Or Not?

There are some people â usually known as fortune tellers -- who seem to be able to predict the future. But the best of these say that what they predict is not set in stone; instead they are really just predicting what will happen if a person does nothing to change their psyche. People who are good at predicting business or political trends also do this. They also say that their predictions are not set in stone; but that the course of events would ânaturallyâ™ change if factors change.

Some say before we are born we select our parents and the conditions in which we will be born. Well, that, for me, is hard speculation; very hard to prove, even if it seems to make sense.

But something fairly reasonable to me is, I can be a pretty good fortune teller myself, if I carefully observe a personâ™s mental and physical habits â their general attitudes especially. I can pretty much tell you what a certain personâ™s problems are going to be in the future, or where they will be ten years from now, because people TEND to keep repeating their behaviors. Canâ™t you do this same kind of âfortune tellingâ™?

BUT there is this other great possibility, you may have also noticed, in either your own life, or in reading or learning of someone elseâ™s. A great change can come into a personâ™s life because of one more little change occurring. Just as the proverbial âstraw that broke the camelâ™s backâ™ there can occur the insight or inspiration that forever changes a personâ™s destiny.

Now, there is a sort of argument against this idea. My brother says all is predestined, and even if a personâ™s life does make a dramatic change over time (i.e., they go from rich to poor, or poor to rich, sickly to healthy, etc., etc.) this also was predestined. And it was predestined for them to have good fortune or bad fortune, to meet the right or wrong people, etc. But this doesnâ™t stop him from working his butt off, to have the life he wants. He simply rectifies all his action and his predestiny philosophy by saying he was predestined to take all his actions. (I call this âcircular reasoningâ™ or B.S., myself.)

To me, when it comes right down to it, the question is really: Can predestiny be proved or disproved? And, I think the answer is ânoâ™; you canâ™t prove or disprove it. And then, to me, the next really relevant question is: Which way of thinking is really helpful?

Iâ™ve noticed this: People like Oprah Winfrey, Wayne Dyer, Zig Ziglar, Louise Hay, Deepak Chopra, Ted Turner, Bill Gates and others, tend to take 100% responsibility for their lives. And if they donâ™t go this far in self responsibility, they all pretty much agree that we are 100% responsible for how we RESPOND to whatever happens to us in our lives. And they all tend to say that âhow we respond to whatever is a part of our lives makes all the difference.â™

You probably know for yourself â from personal experience -- that a change in how you approach something or do or THINK about something can make all the difference in the outcome, and even in your immediate experience. And you probably know from experience that this is pretty much just up to you. In other words, even though you may not be able to change many things, you know you can change your mind and what you think about something, and a change in your thinking can make ALL the difference you need, in order for you to have a good day, as opposed to an awful day.

Phil

Hi Phil and All you Amazing Fellow Geniuses.....
SOGR: "It is a natural law that like causes always produce like effects....No thought of form can be impressed upon original substance without causing the creation of the form."
WHEN we think a thought or hold a vision of some reality in our mind...THEN whatever that thought or vision is becomes the reality we live...THEREFORE we are predestined to experience/live whatever thoughts and visions we choose to keep in our minds. There are plenty of choices to select from. "Use your will to keep yourself thinking and acting in the certain way." (Mr. Wattles).
Much Love, Joy, and Success to us ALL.......dd

Phil

Have you read James Renfields latest book (his fourth I recall) The Secret of Shambala. Your postings indicate you have read widely. This book goes hand in hand with SOGR and explores the personal energies that each of us have. (in a very entertaining way) This personal energy level (aka doing everything in a certain manner) helps create our destiny.

I suspect that (some) fortune tellers "tune into" this energy and make their call (predictions), similar to the manner in which you described.

I expect that great things are happening for you

Peter H

Phil,
do you agree with me that the "course of events" are determined by your own current thinking, and as we can only live in the NOW, how can anyone predict YOUR future????

Sure, if you hold on to "some destroing" thoughts, you eventually go down the drain. As a fortune teller I would charge you 100 bucks for this.

I understand where your brother comes from. I have been fascinated by the movies which are based on the theory that we are all in a computer and somebody out there on the keyboards lets us jump for his pleasure. Some of us get aware of this and try to break out and their circuits are being shut off, before their discovery can do any harm to the system. If your brother believes to be part of this, why does he work his bud off? To impress the guy on the keyboard? I would rather impress God and myself.

I think the real computerfreaks add at this point "LOL". I am not so familiar with this computerlanguage. I want to make sure you understand I am not laughing at you, I laugh with you!

For the rest of it take in what dd has to say.

Blessings,
Horst

Phil: predestined?

I like DDâ™s posting very much. Thanks for that.
I like to remind myself also of the following ( in connection with cause and effect).

We , ourselves, are also effects of our Cause. This is just applied logic: if the Formless produces form expressed by the causing thought, then we ( me, and you and everyone else, anywhere in the universe) are the result(effect) of an âearlierâ idea.

A Course in Miracles echoes it very clearly: â You are an idea in the Mind of God.â .

The next thing is to consider that Cause and Effect are One: without cause, no effect, ( and without effect, no cause!). A father/mother is so by virtue of the child: no child, no parent ( no parent, no child)
What we interpret as âtime/spaceâ is the seeming gap between Cause and Effect

All you and I and we are certain about is THAT we ARE! (I AM).
Since I cannot be my own cause, I divinely conclude that my Cause and I are One. Which is precisely what the Gospels declare: I and the Father are One.

Paradoxically, that is what predestination is all about:
A person is predestined to become a parent on the arrival of the child. A Creator is predestined to become what She creates by creating It.

Deepak Chopra calls that the âeffectâ of INTENTION, the creative urge.

If this does not help. think deeperâ¦.. cause more!

Blessings and Happy New Year to yâ™all.
Ben

(PS What has this to do with fortune telling? Nothing! If there is such a thing as fortune telling , then it just adds to or changes oneâ™s beliefs by accepting the telling. We remain responsible!

Never forget, abundance is our birthright.