I feel sick and I think that Bob, Jack and Michael should be ashamed of themselves. This has nothing to do with SOGR, this plan is based on GREED. They have created a package that at best could be worth $60 and on the back of a wave of euphoria are getting many people who cannot afford it, to part with their money,in the hope of earning a fortune. Read their slick advertising] A few paragraphs on SOGR and then pages and pages on the compensation plan.
Wally would be turning in his grave.
Wally says be creative in earning your money NOT competitive. He is correct Bob, Jack and the Reverend have created a way to play on the masses belief that you can get rich quick, and will all earn an extraordinary amount of money. Those three will of course become exceedingly rich.
Wally also says there is never any rush! I have never witnessed such a panic of people rushing to purchase this product so they can get to sell it to someone before there friends get to them. The sad thing is that it is not now about purchasing, or studying SOGR, it is about getting a product of very little actual value, only a perceived value, that you can earn commissions on. People who are not in the slightest bit interested in SOGR will have a currency to trade to unsuspecting people.
I really do feel quite sad, that the method and ways of SOGR that have brought my success, were of a calm, gentle, no rush, it will happen style and now it has all turned into a circus fuelled only by GREED.
Do you really think that these three men have any interest in who gets hurt in all this? If it is not stopped by someone, when it reaches critical mass, how many people will have lost their money with absolutely no opportunity to get it back. If the persons purchase is genuinely about learning SOGR, why would they give $1995 for something they can get for nothing, and how different could it be, it is only based on the same book?
I have had to put up with a lot of flack from people thinking that in some perverse way I am jealous. Let me tell you, I could not sleep at night, if I had to get money in the knowledge that it would cause misery and hardship to many people.
I notice that the main site is down at the moment, to update details. I wonder if they may make this a tripod with two legs and 10 levels of compensation. Think how many people they could destroy then. I notice that the makers and the producers of the Secret have put a disclaimer on the website, saying that they have no connection with this.
I would really like Rebeccas take on all this, because I get a funny feeling that this could put the nail in the coffin as regards to any credibility for SOGR.
Please all re read SOGR, it is a calm precise infallable method of obtaining happiness and wealth and in no way resembles the circus that these three men have created.
All the people out there who are saying SHUT UP I feel sorry for you because whether you buy this product or not, you will see so much hurt and heartache as a result of this, it will make some of the internet scams look tame. Before you all rush to defend it, I have not said this is a scam. It possibly just creeps into legality
but that does not make it morally right.People will defend it because they believe that it is the holy grail, and will be the way to riches.
Quote from Wally!
The more people who get rich on the competitive plane, the worse for others. The more people who get rich on the creative plane, the better for others.
I ask you is this creative, or competitive?
I will keep on attacking this until it stops, and I suggest that anyone who cares for this book as much as I do, does the same.
I really cannot imagine how we will be able to teach this beautiful message in the future once this devious plot has run its course.
Before you even contemplate purchasing this, unless of course you are purchasing it to furthur your knowledge of SOGR,just do the maths.
Anyone who has actually purchased this simply to get a different spin on SOGR, please let us all know, if you think it represents value.


Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

Hi Croz,

I "sort of" understand where you are coming from, but there are two things which I would like you to consider. First let me say that even without inspection on my own, i will simply take at face value all that you report to be true. In other words, I believe what you say as completely factual regarding any values of any products, and any names of people that are connected or not, and so forth. Okay with that, so far?

From my perspective, the entire "matter" may be said to be some business of these other people. As you and i both know, there are other people in the world doing various things in their businesses and some of these people are literally saints, and others are gun wielding dictators of terrorist regimes. For the sake of our conversation let's place the business of "Bob, Jack and the Reverend" somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. Can you agree that they are not saints? I am sure you can. Can you agree though as well that they are not gun wielding dictators of terrorist regimes? I hope you can.

According to the SOGR, regardless of whatever these men are doing in whatever business they are practicing and in whatever way and by whatever means, it is inconsequential to your acquisition of wealth. You appear though to be quite upset by their tact, however, and to me it appears that you feel that you have no recourse but to compete with them. I urge you to rethink that. If you feel trapped in the middle somehow, figure out what exactly it is on one side and and the other, and peacefully slip out from in-between. In other words, for peace, one must abstain. As the SOGR puts it, you should not concern yourself with the business of others in such a fashion. I could quote it here, but, simply put, you should be concerned with your own business success rather than another business's failings. Perhaps the difference between you and me is that I do not see anything that you described about their business as "successful". And basically, if what they are doing repulses you, then are you so different than the rest of the world? Do you really believe that nobody else will be repulsed?

I promised you two things, that was one of them; here is the other.

Would it surprise you to learn that "The Secret" itself, that being simply "The Law of Attraction" is only a minute part of a much larger body of work? You might be tempted to respond to that question by saying that the SOGR is the body of work, but are you aware that the SOGR is actually only a very minute part of a greater body of work? It is, and for those familiar with that work, it is very obvious. The body of work I am referring to is Ancient and over the past few thousand years has been maintained and disseminated by only a relative handful of individuals. Think of that for a moment... thousands of years. Do you really think that anything that these men are doing will affect that which has been maintained carefully for the past few thousand years?

Hope this helps calm you and allows you to regain your focus on your own goals so that they may be successful.

Hi Croz,
Is this really the right place to attack it? I come here to use these forums to discuss SOGR and be inspired from reading of other successes or being able to share knowledge, but lately I find myself put off from coming on here anymore. I understand what your saying. I too read the info on the secret SOGR course but selling holds no passion for me so I deleted it. I think Wally's work and Rebecca's course are definantly the best on offer and give everyone more in use value and its the one I always recommend to people wanting to learn more.

I would just like to see these forums going back to the way they use to be. Yes the secret and some running courses out there have created a bit of a stir with the public, but I think those rushing in to buy it are in scarcity mode and they don't fully understand SOGR. I think the best way to help change that is to continue practising SOGR the way we always have in the past and leave the attacking to others. I don't think attacking things is the way Wally taught.

I got your first newsletter yesterday with the lions and I loved it, thats what I want to see more of.

Best wishes

Shannon

CroZ THANK you SO MUCH for writing this, I couldn't agree with you more. I am so grateful that I came by Rebecca's most excellent PG course and SOGR BEFORE all The Secret hubbub came out, or it would have completely turned me off, and I may never have discovered the real message and the beauty within the pages of Wally's book...
It's really a shame, because that movie is what brought me to the PG course and these forums to begin with. And these forums are an important part of my day.

I signed up for the free "Masters of the Secret" lessons just for the heck of it, and I find them simply to be an updating and shallow rehashing of the language in Wally's book-no depth at all.

I had to redo the first couple lessons in the PG course lest I fall into my old way of thinking about rich people. Happily, you dispel that old and limited view for me, just by posting what you did.

And I am planning on doing a forgiveness session as per LL29. I wish to hold no animosity towards these people, wrong and unjust though their methods may be. They kind of fall into the category of "corrupt politicians" in my view. And Wally did say that wealth on the competetive plane is (to paraphrase) "yours one day and someone else's the next".

Just remember that you can't do anything about the actions of others-only about what you do and how you think and act. Attacking the course will only give it more power, which is why I have chosen not to do so.(IE, the "war" on drugs, the "war" against poverty, etc.) But venting here is wonderful, and I hear you and empathize wholeheartedly. It IS sad really.

Thanks again for the post.
Namaste,
Julia
PS Do send me your newsletter, I'd LOVE to read it.

Hi there. I read and appreciate your post. In one way I agree with you, but in another way I look at this as sharing, teaching and spreading the riches. It's all about more for all and less for none. I took Rebecca's course and paid her well, almost as much as the program these three men are selling. Why? Because it's all of their voices bringing this to the world. The Law of Attraction takes effect when someone desires and is thankful. Maybe these three gentlemen will bring a new hope to others by the amount of people reaching out to share the product who never would have been reached in any other way.

Funny thing too, I was on the brink of bancruptcy...after my daughter died suddenly, then my divorce, then the loss of my business, then my Mom's illness, then my brother being maimed by a drunk driver, and me taking care of everyone. The Law of Attraction was working for me, I was attracting more LOSS after the loss of my daughter. I'm trying to start a home based business so I can stay home and take care of everyone and keep a roof over our heads. I'm being focused, concentrating on abundance, and today I stumbled across a free viral web site. Just in time! Hopefully, my business can grow so I can give more.

Hi
I am sorry.
I have been innocently trying to protect the writings of Wally and the beautiful way that he presented this knowledge.
In reflection I have exerted a lot of negative energy.
In reality I am so concious of the damage that this has the potential to cause, to the message in the book.
I pledge not to use this forum again if I feel the need to comment on this.
Shannon you are so right and thank you for pointing it out.
Let's all let these discussions fade and get back to the forum as it always used to be.
The universe will sort it all out.
Karen just a comment, but not many people will be purchasing the package to learn about SOGR, and that is my point, the teachings will be sullied by association.

Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

No need to say you are sorry for protecting something you feel is sacred. Everyone teaching Wally's book is recieving something in return. But the value the people give others by sharing his book is immeasurable. More in use value then cash value...without question.

Karen

http://www.freeviral.com/?r=134570

Croz,
A fundamental message in SOGR is about faith in the vision for your own life. Why spend so much energy (and negative energy at that!) attacking something that someone else is doing rather than focus that energy on your own self-development?

Furthermore, fads come and go, things come into and go out of fashion, but timeless principles have always been and always will be with us. I believe that there was only a small percentage of people before "The Secret" ready to embrace the message and the principles of SOGR and there is STILL only a small percentage of people AFTER "The Secret" ready to embrace the message and the principles of SOGR. As it has always been, there are those that "know," and those that "know not." I for one know to which group I want to belong.

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Originally posted by croz:
Hi
I am sorry.
I have been innocently trying to protect the writings of Wally and the beautiful way that he presented this knowledge.
In reflection I have exerted a lot of negative energy.
In reality I am so concious of the damage that this has the potential to cause, to the message in the book.
I pledge not to use this forum again if I feel the need to comment on this.
Shannon you are so right and thank you for pointing it out.
Let's all let these discussions fade and get back to the forum as it always used to be.
The universe will sort it all out.

Thank you Croz. I really appreciate that and I totally understand how much that took to say that. But you know this stuff well and you know deep down that so long as you keep your focus on what you want that the universe will sort it all out. But when you take responsibility for the way you are feeling and resolve to try change it for the better, like you have just done, thats when your living up to Wally's words and making him proud! You have so much to offer people on this forum in terms of knowledge and positive support.

And if this particular course in question does turn out to be nothing more than a get rich quick scheme (I'm not saying it is) than the people who get burnt by it will be those who attracted that very thing into their experience by way of their own thoughts and feelings and the best thing we can do about it is to lead by example and prove Wally's work in our own lives.

Now lets get onto some happier topics!

Shannon

Hi Croz,

I would like to emphathise with all that you are going through. I can understand where you are coming from. The way all this "secret" thing is being promoted will inevitably attract people to purchase it for no other reason than to profit from the scheme. I do think that as a matter of principle we should show people that making money without due consideration for others' true needs is a contradiction of Wally's vision of "more for all, less to none".And I believe we can best achieve this by focusing our thoughts on doing justice to wally's work living it, by not becoming drawn into it and by encouraging others to refrain from jumping onto the bandwagon.As I have often mentioned in other posts, SOGR is not a technique that it is being promoted to be. It requires much introspection and contemplation to achieve its full power. We, at this community can unite in our belief what we see and think is what we will attract. That in essence, means that our collective strength and power in the correct application of SOGR will move creative forces so that the true message will reach the masses and wake them up to their true power, rather than disillusion them.

I have given much thought to what you have posted so far, and no I do not think that it is negative at all. In fact, I think your overriding message is very positive, and that we can all learn much from your strength and courage in saying what needs to be said.

In conclusion, I would to say that regardless how all this hoohah is going to end, we can INSPIRE others by our very belief and actions in using SOGR to better ourselves and others.

Thank you for reading

Abundance and blessings to all
Kevin

Well, I received my free lesson 3 this weekend, and after clicking the link found this message:

http://master.thesgrprogram.com/

I don't know if it's just my computer or email, but the message I got said that the current page was temporarily unavailable, that after a "soft launch" of the program, valuable feedback was received and things are being fine tuned a bit. So perhaps the voices here speaking about having problems with the way the course is being presented aren't alone in thier feelings? And their voices are being heard by the promoters.

In the end, I would like to think that those that have created this add on to the Secret have the best possible motives. But perhaps being human got a little too much advice from those more experienced in marketing, web marketing specifically, and were swayed by that? (But wait, there's more! ) And maybe with some of the feedback they're adjusting and trying to refind their balance? I mean, the Secret film (it has been said) was successful beyond anyone's expectations. And again, as human beings it can be hard sometimes not to get caught up in that sort of thing.

Again, thinking good thoughts here, and abundance to ALL.

Here! Here! Croz!

Couldn't have put it better myself.

I'm glad there is someone else out there with a brain, and I might have known it would be you!

People really should be thinking about the science of who is actually getting rich before they purchase.

Personally, I have found the original unedited version of Think & Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill incredibly useful, more so than The Secret (which leaves out a very important point) and sogr.

Best.

Ashley

Luckym,

I had no problem reaching the third lesson which is at
http://master.thesgrprogram.com/online/lessons/3-thoughtcontrol.php

Caroline

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Originally posted by AshRiggs:

Personally, I have found the original unedited version of Think & Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill incredibly useful, more so than The Secret (which leaves out a very important point) and sogr.

Ashley

How can an important point be left . . . out?

If i wrote a book about some very important ways and means by which a person might find more happiness, then set it down for a spell (being happy myself) and moved on to other works that pleased me, would you come to pick it up and tell me later that you knew it was incomplete? Or would you write your own chapter and tack it on as an addendum to share with the world?

quote:

Luckym,

I had no problem reaching the third lesson which is at
http://master.thesgrprogram.com/online/lessons/3-thoughtcontrol.php

Caroline

Thanks Caroline. Actually, the link I am sharing I got from clicking on the link at the bottom of the lesson to buy the full program. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Is that working for you also, or the one that I posted?

@ Isaidso, it's interesting, but I was thinking the same thing in response to another critique of the Secret itself on another forum - the person also went on to state that people like themselves "think" more than others lol and hence see more flaws. Hmmmmmm.

I think recognizing that there is more to The Law of Attraction than can possibly be communicated in a mere 90 minute film I feel is no different from understanding there is probably more to the Law of Attraction than can be communicated in the SOGR. Or Think and Grow Rich. Or any of the texts and wisdom, thinking and discourse any of these were based upon. I think it is the thinking person's responsibility to decide how much of what is presented to them is worth accepting on faith, and if it is not, then it is up to them to "fill in the gaps" as you say. Either by referring to other sources, finding them by furhter study, or perhaps even creating a few hypotheses of one's own. And of course supplying them when one is pointing out the alleged holes and flaws in the work of others. Which Ashley did (and I appreciate) in referring to Think and Grow Rich. A book that I am planning to read in the near future, but also a book from which I don't expect to get the complete picture.

In the search for answers I have found that (for me at least) the search can be just as exciting as finding "the answers." Because it seems to me that the more answers one finds, the more questions one has, and that is a good thing. As Mr. Wattles said, the Universe is about growth and increase, not stagnation. And so perhaps taking issue with something intellectually is just the inner nature trying to move toward more growth. Just as he says it is normal and natural for a person to be discontented with not having enough money to do what he or she wants. And maybe the finding fault, seeing the work of others as incomplete etc. is merely the confusion of the ego which as yet is still not comfortable with that feeling as being a good thing.

As an example, I personally don't see SOGR as having ALL of the answers. But I have found enough pearls in it to make me want to go further with it. Instead I could have thrown the baby out with the bathwater because it wasn't 100% complete for me. But it has been my experience that focusing on the pearls allows me to take what I can from that, perhaps augment it with other sources, and/or take it even deeper developing my own theories and hypotheses.

After much thought and of course listening to more tapes on alternative thinking and what we think draws more of it into our lives.

Wouldn't one get what they expect if they sign up and pay for the Secret SOGR, if they expect a get-rich-quick type of course then that is what they'll see, and if they happen to get rich quick great for them. On the other hand if one sees the potential for them to get rich in Spiritual and what we think draws that in, then they also will have their success.

For us to determine what a person's intent is when they choose to sign up for that course is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! It's their stuff and we need to bless them and move on, back to our own focus in our own lives.

Isaidso,
You said, "The body of work I am referring to is Ancient and over the past few thousand years has been maintained and disseminated by only a relative handful of individuals." What body of work are you referring to, or is that another "Secret"?
Thank you,
Hawkes

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Originally posted by croz:
I feel sick and I think that Bob, Jack and Michael should be ashamed of themselves. L]

Croz, you wrote the above. Why did you say "Michael," I don't see Michael's name anywhere on the site. I see Bob Proctor and Jack Canfield. Was this a typo?
Thanks,
Hawkes

Hi

When this was written The Rev. was still involved. He has since left the group of highwaymen. One can only assume that he saw the error of his ways.

Isaidso when was the other thread taken down?

Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

quote:

Originally posted by Hawkes:
I don't see Michael's name anywhere on the site. I see Bob Proctor and Jack Canfield. Was this a typo?
Thanks,
Hawkes

I just received my first lesson on this and the video is Michael explaining the LOA. Also, Rebecca Fine is list on the bottom of the page like this

© Rebecca Fine 2007. All rights reserved.

is this how the Affiliate program works?