Rebecca posted about this airing beginning of august... here's the link to the video for those who missed it.

http://inherentexcellence.com/blog/?p=49

This topic is now going to be closed as it's clear that competitive mind is taking over. This is the first time this has happened on this forum in, what?, nine years. Most interesting.

Here's the thing. You don't need to convince anyone that you are right. You may be right for YOU, not necessarily for anyone else. What is "correct" for you is not necessarily "correct" or necessary for anyone else in the world.

But what is MOST important is that you don't NEED anyone else to agree with you about anything in order for YOU to be happy. And as long as you think you do need to convince people and get them to agree before you can be happy and relaxed and appreciative and enjoying THIS moment of your life, then you've just set yourself a very disempowering and unhappy task because there are an awful lot of people in the world -- and even on this forum -- who are NEVER going to agree with you.

Why bother? It's like the famous line attributed to George Bernard Shaw (and no, I'm NOT calling anyone a pig!):

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

People who want to push your buttons will do that as long as you faithfully maintain those buttons -- and you do that by paying attention and caring about what THEY think and trying to change them.

State your opinion if you like and then let it go and move on. Otherwise, you get "dirty" in the sense that you're giving your attention to something you do NOT want. And that means you're just going to get more of that same kind of thing.

And the person who pushed your buttons gets the desired response and "likes it" and so keeps pushing. Why not? You're giving them exactly what they (think they) want -- at YOUR OWN expense.

Release and let it go. Some of the most powerful words in the English language as far as I'm concerned.

Now let's do something CONSTRUCTIVE and encourage each other, ok? Thanks!

LOL you like the last word don't you... but then my replying to this takes that away.

Have a wonderful day and experience in your reality.

"The Secret" is child's play compared to "You are what you eat." That's not blasphemy;

IT'S TECHNOLOGY!!!! All I'm saying is that if you eat the correct foods, it makes the whole manifestation process a lot smoother.

Ok, everyone, I'm done saying what I need to say here.

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Originally posted by Junoelle:
Food is an energy source like other riches are. Something that is abundant and varied, you can attract food and make choices about what kind of food.

It is fuel not the engine.

I too like to make healthy food choices.


Juno

Food is an energy source like other riches are. Something that is abundant and varied, you can attract food and make choices about what kind of food.

It is fuel not the engine.

I too like to make healthy food choices.


Juno

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Question all assumptions. I'll get you started-- Do you think suffering is a necessary component in pursuit of a goal? Why or why not?

If you want to discuss this, please start a new thread as this one has already been hijacked. New topic=new thread=less confusion for newcomers.

Question all assumptions. I'll get you started-- Do you think suffering is a necessary component in pursuit of a goal? Why or why not?

Apology accepted.

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Originally posted by Bluehawk:
Well, excuuuuse me, Neo, but I just re-read your note, and it sounded to me like someone who was unhappy with their weight. And since, indeed this is a forum about goal achievement, I offered my thoughts. My apologies.

Or, if you like, I could ask you questions.

Bluehawk

Well, excuuuuse me, Neo, but I just re-read your note, and it sounded to me like someone who was unhappy with their weight. And since, indeed this is a forum about goal achievement, I offered my thoughts. My apologies.

Or, if you like, I could ask you questions.

Bluehawk

I don't see how my view is in opposition. Maybe if I said that food can be used as a tool to enhance SOGR, there wouldn't be so much controversy?

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Originally posted by Neo:
It amazes me how many people here aren't even remotely curious enough to ask questions. Instead they just want to debate me.

I didn't realize this was a debate, what did you want us to ask you?

Hey, maybe I came in late, or I just haven't been able to sober up or something. I've been trying to latch on to the "food" discussion, and doggoned if I've been able to do it. Somebody explain the common "thread" here will you?

It seems a little like some of you are saying that "it doesn't really matter what we eat". If that's what you're saying, is that a joke, or what? I mean, is the mind really THAT powerful?

Doesn't the kind of food we eat have SOME effect on our minds and bodies? If we don't know we're drinking fermented grapes, will we not get drunk?

Hey, I know I got really carried away in a ramblin kind of style a couple of contributions ago, but read the section I wrote about the unwary diner feasting on ill-prepared fugu (blowfish) and tell me what you think. The guy is chowing down on his favorite food. He savors every bite and thinks of nothing but the food, just like Mr. Wally said, and the next day he's DEAD. And you know what else...I'll bet his thinking was effected just before he reached that state. Please tell me if this differs from "regular" food and the known toxins (even natural ones) contained within them . . .except in degree.

Of COURSE what we eat effects our thinking. . . and it does so whether we think about it or not.

Did I miss the point? Please let me know.

Now, my apologies to anyone who might be offended by what I have just written, but please know that I don't believe anything I've said negates or seriously diminishes Wallyspeak.
Wally was a great and inciteful person, but to my knowledge he wasn't divine. People can follow a leader and still think for themselves.

Thanks
Bluehawk

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It amazes me how many people here aren't even remotely curious enough to ask questions.

Neo, I appreciate that you feel strongly about this subject, but it's not a bit surprising to me that people here aren't interested in asking you questions about this. (Although I don't know how you'd know "how many" aren't; only I and the moderators have access to readership figures.)

It's because this is NOT a forum to question the principles of SOGR. This is a forum for people who have chosen to FOLLOW those principles and the teachings of the book:

"You have accepted a certain theory of the universe as being correct, and are resting all your hopes of happiness on its being correct. What can you gain by giving heed to conflicting theories?"

and:

"[B]ecause all things have contributed to your advancement, you should include all things in your gratitude."

ALL things. And all people. No exceptions.

If you were, say, an evangelical Christian you would certainly have a right to preach your views. Yet you would not likely expect to walk into a service in a synagogue and be able to expound them.

It's sort of the same thing here.

This forum is for ENCOURAGEMENT in following the principles, and that includes people who ask for assistance in understanding the book and its teachings.

But it really does not include an open floor for those who wish to promote OPPOSING views. The internet is wide open and I'm certain there are plenty of places available to do that. And anyone who wants to do that can easily start a forum to discuss his or her own interests, as I have done.

It's really that simple.

What are you talking about?Are you trying to give me advice on weight loss>?

FYI- I've lost 50 pound since May without even trying.

The topic of discussion is food as a technology, not a neurosis.

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Originally posted by Bluehawk:
Hey Neo,

I surely don't know what works or doesn't (I wonder if anyone does), and the only thing you can depend on is change . . .

BUT, try keeping your mind on what you WANT, rather than what you DON'T want.

That in itself will probably have negligable effect on your weight, but maybe start with the basics. If you continue to see yourself as "heavy", it's a good bet that is what you'll be.

First, regularly visualize yourself as thinner, and I mean. . . really "get into" it. Don't see yourself in any other way.

Then, be receptive to "opportunies" for proven and effective weight loss...opportunities which will present themselves because of the subconscious "stance" you are taking, and take advantage of those.

You may have "convinced" yourself that your are "fat". Without meaning to or realizing it, you may called it to yourself.

Try telling your subconscience that you are thin, and expect it to be that way.

This is all assuming that you would rather be what you consider "thin"

Also, this is really none of my business. Good luck!

Bluehawk

It amazes me how many people here aren't even remotely curious enough to ask questions. Instead they just want to debate me.

Don't tell a fish about water,indeed.

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Originally posted by BEing NOW!:

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Originally posted by Neo:
Here is the cool thing about food: if you eat better, you feel better. Not just better, but some kind of euphoria, almost psychedelic bliss. And if you feel better, you think better thoughts.

The same thing can be said with thinking the right thoughts.

We've been conditioned to look at everything outside of us and believe that is what is responsible for who, what and where we are.

All my life I had the exact same food habits, and all my life I was told that I had a weight problem, I didn't, but thought I did too. Everytime I looked in the mirror I saw a fat person.... a 5'4" 110 lb fat person. At one point I did go up to 126 lbs and boy... I thought I was obese and went on a diet and lost 16 lbs in one summer, but then I went back to seeing a fat person. This went on my entire life, I was so afraid of being fat. Logically, I knew I wasn't fat, seeing my weight on the scale told me I wasn't, wearing size 3 or size 10 clothes also told me I wasn't fat but my visual of myself couldn't convince me. My eating habits remained the same, many times I would eat perhaps once or twice a day, didn't binge or anything like that. Many times I forgot to eat and then I would overdo it later. My thoughts on food has created me to be what I am today, I won't say my weight now since it has increased and my fears of being a fat person has finally surfaced. My eating habits haven't changed and my thoughts on food haven't changed, but my image in the mirror has and now I'm really am seeing a fat person that I always thought I saw. I created myself, not the food.

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Originally posted by Neo:
Here is the cool thing about food: if you eat better, you feel better. Not just better, but some kind of euphoria, almost psychedelic bliss. And if you feel better, you think better thoughts.

The same thing can be said with thinking the right thoughts.

We've been conditioned to look at everything outside of us and believe that is what is responsible for who, what and where we are.

All my life I had the exact same food habits, and all my life I was told that I had a weight problem, I didn't, but thought I did too. Everytime I looked in the mirror I saw a fat person.... a 5'4" 110 lb fat person. At one point I did go up to 126 lbs and boy... I thought I was obese and went on a diet and lost 16 lbs in one summer, but then I went back to seeing a fat person. This went on my entire life, I was so afraid of being fat. Logically, I knew I wasn't fat, seeing my weight on the scale told me I wasn't, wearing size 3 or size 10 clothes also told me I wasn't fat but my visual of myself couldn't convince me. My eating habits remained the same, many times I would eat perhaps once or twice a day, didn't binge or anything like that. Many times I forgot to eat and then I would overdo it later. My thoughts on food has created me to be what I am today, I won't say my weight now since it has increased and my fears of being a fat person has finally surfaced. My eating habits haven't changed and my thoughts on food haven't changed, but my image in the mirror has and now I'm really am seeing a fat person that I always thought I saw. I created myself, not the food.

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Originally posted by Kevsky:

Eating will surely affect your physical body. that's on a physical level. At the other end of the spectrum, there are huge unknowns. I am not an expert in any of this, however, I do believe that we become what we think of, eventually, and taking care of our bodies is surely a big part of that.

by the way, welcome back!

Here is the cool thing about food: if you eat better, you feel better. Not just better, but some kind of euphoria, almost psychedelic bliss. And if you feel better, you think better thoughts.

The same thing can be said with thinking the right thoughts. However, tell that to someone living with intense pain everyday. The leap of consciousness he/she would have to make is immense.

We have to nourish ourselves at all levels, not just thinking.

By the way, eating right means eating mostly living foods. I do not believe Wallace Wattles was infallible in all aspects of life. He seems to suggest how to eat, but not what to eat. Digestive alignment is important, but what's going in your body is even more important.

I think "you are what you eat" is much more profound than I was previously led to believe or even could have believed -- or could even understand. And it can't be understood until you experience what i've experienced --

prosperity-bliss-consciousness.

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If you try to be grateful, it doesn't work nearly as well if you ARE gratitude. Again, try is a lie. Because -- what you resist, persists.

Absolutely!

Again, the same goes for thinking right. If your thinking is right, you choose the right stuff to put into your body. What's the right stuff is altogether a different topic, and one which people can have a wide range of opinions, even amongst trained professionals.

Do what's comfortable for you! that's always been my approach.

Eating will surely affect your physical body. that's on a physical level. At the other end of the spectrum, there are huge unknowns. I am not an expert in any of this, however, I do believe that we become what we think of, eventually, and taking care of our bodies is surely a big part of that.

by the way, welcome back!

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Originally posted by Kevsky:

Of course, if you continue to believe that what you eat affects your thinking, you give up a significant part of your power as a co-creator, because the causes are always of non-physical origins,or of meta-physical roots.

The basis of all life is enzymes and minerals. If your diet is based on the Standard American Diet (SAD), you are taking in very little minerals and a lot of chemicals. You better believe what you eat affects your thinking. The Illuminati has tampered with the mainstream food supply for a reason. The food pyramid is built upon its corporate interests.

I understand what Rebecca is saying, "You are what you eat" is a subset of Thinking Stuff. Therefore, Thinking Stuff is more powerful. However, in practical terms, gratitude and appreciation requires a leap in consciousness. If you try to be grateful, it doesn't work nearly as well if you ARE gratitude. Again, try is a lie. Because -- what you resist, persists.

In my opinion, using food as a technology to become gratitude is more powerful than trying or forcing yourself to be grateful.

But nobody on this board can really get past the dogma or evangelistic zeal unless they ask questions and consider the holes AND rediscover food as a technology.

"More Powerful Than Any Force of Nature? Well, Perhaps. . ."

I wonder what Wally would think to be the "cause" of a particular thinking stuff thinking in a particular direction? And what might be the "cause" of any one of our particular thoughts? A single thought can easily be traced to the thought or sensation which came immediately before it,and the one before that and the one before that, each though being in turn an effect and then a cause itself. If some sort of "master prognosticator" existed at the time of the very first "cause", might the entire "future of everything" (if such a thing could be real) be predicted ad infinitum? And if so, would that negate the entire concept of free will? After all, if everything can be predicted, that MUST mean that everything is preordained, right? If it's not preordained, then it couldn't have been predicted in the first place. I don't think that's right, any more than I think we have complete control of our destinies. Maybe this is all an illusion. You'll notice I didn't say "just" an illusion, because if illusion is what we're in, then it's a damned good one!

Wally has (had) his ideas, the Bhudhists, Shintos, Baptists, etc., have theirs, and I have mine. I'm not a fatalist. I do believe there's hope. I tend to believe that we're caught up in some sort of "dream stream", in which the grand majority of us will never, in this life, escape. We may never escape it at all. Masters of our own destinies? Are you kidding? With due respects to anyone claiming otherwise, Most of it is a bunch of esoteric, pie-in-the-sky drivel. In my fairly long and varied life I've never actually met anyone who I believed to be "tuned in" to any degree such as that we're discussing.

More powerful than any force of nature? Well perhaps, but I haven't seen anyone stopping hurricanes in their tracks, either singlehandedly or collectively. Nice theory, and perhaps even a valid one, but really how practical? To my knowledge, history talks only of one "person" who may have been able to do those things.

But back to the really basic issue of whether food effects thought:

If you don't believe that what you put into your bodies is thought, then slip a little LSD into a friend's coke one evening (hypothethical, please) and observe the results. Make sure he doesn't know, or have an opportunity to think about what might happen beforehand.

"But LSD is not food!" you say. "LSD changes a person's body chemistry". Yes, and so do many of the things in your "food". Just because your thoughts may go in a particular direction doesn't excuse you from the effects of what you ingest.

Imagin, this time, a Japanese diner in a fancy Tokyo restaurant. He has just been served his favorite delicacy, "fugu", or blowfish, which he has eaten many times before. Only this time, the chef fatally "stubs his toe" in the preparation of the dish, failing to eliminate the deadly toxins produced in the fish's liver. The diner enjoys what will be his last meal, even though he doesn't realize what's about to happen. His final thoughts may have been about great health, or wealth, or the formation of great institutions in space. But tomorrow he is dead. What a surprise it must have been when he first realized the effects of one of the world's most powerful toxins, knoweledge which either before or after its ingestion couldn't have saved his life.

Is that relevant? Sure. Don't we understand that there are toxins, even natural ones, in the foods we eat, and that these toxins and chemicals will effect our condition of health and thought?

Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong believer in the power of thought, but as I've said before, thought, or at least the ABILITY TO FORM THOUGHTS is an "effect"... or is "effected" by other "causes", just as it is a "cause" in itself.

Let's not get too carried away with this stuff!

No one I've met have I believed capable of communicating with God in any really meaningful or verifiable way. "You say you speak with God? Well David Berkowitz talked to his dog, and the dog gave more specific instructions than God gives to most others". "Conversations With God" talks a great line. Of course God predicted three books and now there's how many . . .five, I think, with the lastest one tentatively titled "More Money Than God". You may think that sacreligious, but how about this? A more recent book, "The Disappearance of The Universe", a huge tome, claims to be the guide to understanding "A Course in Miracles" and within it's pages it DIRECTLY disagrees with and disputes more than one part of "Conversations". At least ONE of these books is a hoax. Take your pick. No one I've met has been tuned-in enough to control his own hunger, sensitivity to pain, or any other form of suffering. Hey, now these are "regular" people, but shouldn't some of them be able to control their destinies? I've heard of a few who may approach the ability to do such a thing, but mostly they spend 8 to 12 hours each day sitting on their butts, figuring out how not to care about anything, while other, less enlightened individuals do the actual creating.

Back to the illusion thing: While we struggle along, caught up in this overpowering stream of confusion and illusion, I believe it is possible, with great concentration, to stick one's head above the noise, and through our powers of "co-creation", effect a more positive direction and outcome. We can be happy, we can attain great wealth and/or power. Sadly, I believe that even these more "positive" outcomes are a part of the same illusion. What we have done is to tune our illusion to a happier channel. So hey, until something better comes along, I'll take it!

In part because it IS an illusion we're experiencing, then we can never really know what's really the case. I do tend to get a bit frustrated with people, including popular spiritual authors (many of them seeming to have conspired with other spiritual authors) to tell me HOW THINGS ARE. Well, I can be pretty thick and stupid sometimes, and God knows there's no one more direct, skeptical, or hard headed. But no matter who you are, on this matter, you can't be certain to know any more than I do! As opinionated as I am, That's all I really have. After all, isn't it the thought that counts?

BlueHawk

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It's rather hard for me to buy into the idea that "everything" is caused by our thinking.

Everything in your experience is created by your thinking.

Wally says that

"Original substance moves according to its thoughts;every form and process you see in nature is the visible expression of a thought in original substance.As the formless stuff thinks of a form, it takes that form;as it thinks of a motion, it makes that motion. That is the way all things were created."

Wally in essence says that ALL physical things in all natural life originates from the non-physical, the formless stuff.Through our awareness, we can commnunicate with the formless stuff by being in harmony with this formless stuff. By doing so, we are infinitely more powerful than any other force of nature, as the formless stuff is boundless and unlimited in nature.

Of course, if you continue to believe that what you eat affects your thinking, you give up a significant part of your power as a co-creator, because the causes are always of non-physical origins,or of meta-physical roots. As long as we ourselves are thinking substance, and can communicate with the Source of all there is, it is easy to believe that we are actually one with each other and everything else in the universe. The physical and non-physical separation actually becomes an illusion. From both a philosophical and pragmatic view, I believe this way of seeing things empowers me to fulfil my potential and continue to be all that I am capable of becoming. I think Wally would agree with me