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it proves that like does not always attract like.

Well, if you think that then why are you on this forum? Because that is contrary to the teachings of The Science of Getting Rich. You are certainly free to believe as you choose, but these forums are in SUPPORT of people choosing to follow "the certain way" laid out in the book. So if you wish to teach something opposite, you'll need to do it elsewhere. Fair enough?

It doesn't actually "prove" anything either because, once again, we have NO IDEA what's really going on in someone else's mind.

And you have no idea what will happen to any of those people's "wealth" tomorrow.

Also, the phrase "like attracts like" is not as cut-and-dried as that.

Habitual, ongoing focus on unwanted brings more of its kind, more of the ESSENCE of what's focused on -- experiences, circumstances, or things of a matching vibration, not necessarily a carbon copy.

When we start with the understanding that it's never really the money (or the relationship or the new car or house or whatever) that anyone really wants, but the GOOD FEELING he or she thinks having that will bring, we can -- if we're willing -- see that the HAVING of it is not really the blessing. It's the getting there, the choice to have the good feeling right now.

If I had somehow managed to grow up with no unconscious belief that money was bad, unspiritual, would mean I was not a good person, and on and on, BUT I still had very strong unconscious beliefs that I had to work hard to get money and then I had to worry and struggle to keep it, I could easily have attracted money but I'd have had to work hard to get it.

I DID work hard to get it in the past, with enormously varying results. But once I learned the secret of SOGR and began to consciously shift my beliefs, that all changed. And that has been true for many, many others.

It works for money and for everything. It sounds like the people you're describing might be free of some of the crippling, money-denying beliefs so many of us were indoctrinated with even though they still have the ones about struggle and hard work. So they get what they expect. So do we all.

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When I work with people, I use the rule of the three. Focus on three things you want to see change and then focus on three actions per thing and do those actions. It works beautifully.

Rave, I like this. Three being my lucky number at that!

Rebecca, thank you for your continued advice on struggle. I don't want any more of that!

Caroline off to find 3 things she enjoys working on....

God bless you,

Caroline
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Originally posted by CaptJack:
Well I need to write business and if it isn’t calling I have to go out and get some. That is one thing that I don’t always enjoy doing. After I do it I sometimes have a feeling of accomplishment its just getting started lol.

I need capital to do the things that I really want and I use to think I needed to do all the things I don’t like to get that capital. I am going to have to rethink that and see if I get inspired somehow.

You are starting to get it. I think the very best thing you can do right now is to give yourself a treat -- a day off, a new toy, a professional massage -- something to help you feel great and rested.

Then focus on your CMI, really spend some time with it. Feel in advance how great it will be when it's achieved. When you get to that place, keep enjoying that wonderful feeling. Before you know it, you will have a great idea, or spring into whatever action is easy and obvious or fun. Notice how when you feel good, all your doubt and worry disappears, and the answers become obvious.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

Love and blessings,
Rachel

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Originally posted by dwinnemmen:
Hi Rachel,

i want to add to the mothering marital statement..
...the day i came to realize that divorce was the best solution to the situation i felt this wave of release and relief. to my surprise the very next day the teacher reported my daughter had "turned the corner" and behaved and intereacted with the classroom with a feeling of relief and joy. my children feel what i feel as we are connected, my daughter was only four at the time. staying stuck for the "sake" of the children does not work, it's letting go with love, faith and belief that we do our very best for our children that brings them joy and feeds them to grow...

dwinnemmen,

Thanks for sharing. I can attest to the truth from the child's point of view. My mother stayed in an abusive relationship for 15 years. None of us kids could understand why she would allow such horrible things to happen when she could just walk away. I've spoken to my mother about it since then. She just didn't get how much the situation was hurting us. She thought she was doing what was right by keeping the family together. Kids may not be able to express their pain in words, but they definitely pick up on stress and unhappiness and it really does affect them.

The bottom line is, if you don't take care of yourself, you can't take care of your kids. I think the best thing you can do for your kids is to be happy. (And love them a lot. )

Love and blessings,
Rachel

This is a truth Rachel,

i recently recieved a letter from my youngest. he said I sounded happy finally and it gives him joy to know this. i know kids don't come with instruction manuals, it's a learning curve raising them. by doing the best for ourselves we in turn do the best for others, proof of the pudding right there.

namaste`
dwinnemmen

CJ, I like what Abraham-Hicks says:

1. we are source energy having a physical experience;

2. how we feel, determines the vibrational frequencies (VF) we're aligning with;

3. Our thoughts can be used to change the way we feel and therefore the VF's;

4. Like vibratioms are always attracted to each other, it is a law of the universe (like gravity);

5. If you're not feeling good, slowly reach for a slightly better feeling thought, i.e. anger to frustration is better than trying to go from anger to joy straight away. The key is to keep reaching for thoughts that feel a bit better;

6. If you don't enjoy something, consider the alternatives and see which feels better, go with the best feeling one (it may not be ideal, but the best under the circumstances).

That's probably it in a nutshell. And of course be as aware as you can of your feeling in any given moment, so that you can choose for something better if necessary.

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Originally posted by dwinnemmen:
This is a truth Rachel,

i recently recieved a letter from my youngest. he said I sounded happy finally and it gives him joy to know this. i know kids don't come with instruction manuals, it's a learning curve raising them. by doing the best for ourselves we in turn do the best for others, proof of the pudding right there.

namaste`
dwinnemmen

Yes, and again speaking as a child, we all turned out okay. The experiences I had growing up helped make me the person I am today, so I don't regret anything! I totally do not blame my mother. She is a wonderful, sweet, loving, giving person. I think she still feels guilty, but I'm over it.

I try to remember this when I feel that I am less than perfect as a parent. Everyone has issues growing up -- it's part of how we learn. Plus, if you were too perfect, your kids wouldn't relate to anyone else, right?

Love and blessings,
Rachel

Originally posted by Rebecca:

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Well, why not just go for having a thriving business that runs without you -- instead of all this intermediary stuff?

Now that is a great idea Rebecca. I should have thought of this before.

Noel

I totally agree with you Rachel,

we did turn out well. i too had my stint with guilt, up until now that is. i am blessed to know ancient soul personally and she has aided my awakening. (and led me to this course). i am grateful in knowing that the ways i 've raised my children has been to their benefit. if i dropped them off anywhere on this planet or another they would thrive , adapt and create.
up til now i dind't give myself much credit. when i am around my friends i think of my children as i hear stories and tales of other folks' life and experiences and i realize my children too have these and share them with their soul families. up til now i was in a state of worry, thanks to ancient soul i vibrate with love for them and myself. she is an amazing woman and friend, she's a soul sister for sure.

namaste`

dwinnemmen

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Well, why not just go for having a thriving business that runs without you -- instead of all this intermediary stuff?

Well that is really my CMI and I thought I had to do x-y-z before I could get there. I realize I might not have to to x-y-z to get there as that is kind of dertermining the how but so far no inspired action on this.

Now that being said I am trying to partner up with another agency he has a appointment with a company that I would really like to have it would open alot of business for me. There is another office just down the street from me who has that company and they usually dont give out appointments with other agencies that close. But one of their marketing reps is suppose to call me to come visit and we will talk about the appointment. This is a great opportunity and if I can get this appointment I have had 2 agents tell me they would come work with me on commission only. I am excited to see how this unfolds.

Bill

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Originally posted by Rebecca:

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it proves that like does not always attract like.

Well, if you think that then why are you on this forum? Because that is contrary to the teachings of The Science of Getting Rich. You are certainly free to believe as you choose, but these forums are in SUPPORT of people choosing to follow "the certain way" laid out in the book. So if you wish to teach something opposite, you'll need to do it elsewhere. Fair enough?

Wattles refers to like causes always produce like effects, referring to like action producing like results, which I believe.

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Habitual, ongoing focus on unwanted brings more of its kind, more of the ESSENCE of what's focused on -- experiences, circumstances, or things of a matching vibration, not necessarily a carbon copy.

Again, how can we prove this? You keep asking me if I know what people are thinking. In many instances people express their thoughts so you do know it. So, can your statement be proven or is it a hypothesis?

When I brought up the very clear point wattles made about the absolute need for personal action people jumped on me and said action is not always needed which is totally contrary to what the author says, yet I did not tell people they should leave the forum. So we are all interpreting the book in our own way. As I mentioned, I just personally connect with the action, visualization and gratitude parts.

Rave

Caroline,

There was actually an article about this principle which the Marines use. I read many years ago and I adopted this philosophy as I was getting into the SOGR. It has unique way of creating a manageable formula for achievement.

Best of luck

Rave

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I realize I might not have to to x-y-z to get there as that is kind of dertermining the how but so far no inspired action on this.

CaptJack,

You really are getting it. Don't worry about the "inspired action." Your job is to go about your daily business calmly and cheerfully, with the knowledge that your desires are being met.

The real "work" is keeping your focus, faith, and feelings on those desires -- what we call our CMI or ultimate goals. Sometimes that "work" takes some extra processes, like doing life labs, watching mind movies, doing EFT, etc. Do whatever helps you to feel good and to let go of some of that fear and doubt.

Your intermediary goals -- all that "x,y,z" stuff -- may or may not be stuff you end up doing. The point that I am trying to make is that doing "x,y,z" out of fear or desperation will make it much less effective, or even completely counter-productive. That's why it's important to stop when you are feeling bad, and fix the feeling first!

(In case anyone is wondering, I have experienced this in my life many times since starting this course. I may not be able to prove it definitively, but as a working hypothesis, it's been extraordinarily effective for me. And like a lot of people, I've spent most of my life working very hard and not getting the results I wanted.)

Now, Rave seems to be very attached to the idea of action. He seems to think that the action part is what creates our experience. That's fine for people who are coming from a place of lethargy or paralyzing fear. Action can make us feel better and it can show us how powerful we are. His 3 step process is also wonderful for cutting through the intimidation of big projects. It's really very good.

But for YOU, I think you have been working TOO hard and not always in the certain way. That's why I recommend taking a little break when possible (or even if you think it's not possible , and just NOT DOING all that "x,y,z."

When you are feeling good again, focused on your CMI, that excitement will be so fun that you probably will be inspired to do something, but if you aren't, that's okay, too. Your focus, faith and feelings will bring your CMI to you anyway.

Love and blessings,
Rachel

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Again, how can we prove this? You keep asking me if I know what people are thinking. In many instances people express their thoughts so you do know it. So, can your statement be proven or is it a hypothesis?

You mean you've never said something you didn't really mean? If so, then I believe you are unique in humankind.

That was brought home to me several years ago when I was learning to do "the work" (The Work of Byron Katie). I was going through the process with a wonderful facilitator who used to be Katie's personal assistant and had about nine years of experience.

I made a statement and Celeste asked, "Is it true?" to which I responded, "Yes."

"Can you be absolutely certain that it's true?"

"Yes. She said so."

"Didn't you ever say something you didn't really mean?"

Wow, one of those lightning bolt moments. How often had I simply believed that something someone said represented their true thoughts and feelings on the subject and then proceeded to create my "story" about it, believe the story, and make myself unhappy for no good reason?

That simple four-question process of self-inquiry is pure gold. (thework.com)

Also, look at what happens so often -- and there are lots of examples of it here in these forums. Someone frustrated with SOGR SAYS he or she is giving focus, faith, and feeling to whatever their CMI is, but ask a few questions and you find out they're actually giving all that attention to the LACK of whatever it is they desire.

As for whether or not giving continued attention to something unwanted brings us more unwanted (or likewise, giving our focus, faith, and feeling to what we desire brings us more of what we desire), that's not MY statement. That's the premise of The Science of Getting Rich.

You may disagree with that, but then again, if you do, then a forum in support of people who DO agree with it and are choosing to deepen their understanding and practice of SOGR is perhaps not your natural habitat -- any more than, say, Friday night at the local synagogue would be a good time and place for an evangelical Christian to stand up and proceed to tell everyone how he sees things. (And why bother when there are plenty of churches and perfectly good street corners?)

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BTW, for anyone who may be interested, I am currently enjoying the heck out of one of Dr. Catherine Ponder's many wonderful books, this one titled, The Prospering Power of Love, which was written back in 1966 and updated in '84.

This slim volume is jam-packed with wonderful stories of people who experienced amazing life changes with NO ACTION whatsoever in any tangible, physical form. What they "did" was simply change their thinking and choose to LOVE their way through any perceived difficulty. When they made that shift, everything around them shifted, too, and the situations were resolved.

I highly recommend it -- and it's only $7.95 on amazon. I thought I had read all her books but this one somehow got past me -- up 'til now! -- and I do believe it is my favorite.

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Your intermediary goals -- all that "x,y,z" stuff -- may or may not be stuff you end up doing. The point that I am trying to make is that doing "x,y,z" out of fear or desperation will make it much less effective, or even completely counter-productive. That's why it's important to stop when you are feeling bad, and fix the feeling first!

Absolutely, Rachel. That is right on the money.

And we "fix the feeling" by consciously choosing to shift the thought that is causing the feeling. This is TOTALLY different from stuffing the feeling in the huge variety of ways we have -- up 'til now -- employed.

(After a while it becomes less and less "concious" and more of our habitual way of responding to situations. We get to "unconscious competence" because we have actually created new neural pathways -- we've rewired our brains to respond in new and better ways.)

Rebecca

I just recently bought an ebook by Catherine Ponder. Pray and Grow Rich. What a title, LOL. But I love the stories, the affirmations, etc.

I will look into the Prospering Power of love, thanks!

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BTW, for anyone who may be interested, I am currently enjoying the heck out of one of Dr. Catherine Ponder's many wonderful books, this one titled, The Prospering Power of Love, which was written back in 1966 and updated in '84.

This slim volume is jam-packed with wonderful stories of people who experienced amazing life changes with NO ACTION whatsoever in any tangible, physical form. What they "did" was simply change their thinking and choose to LOVE their way through any perceived difficulty. When they made that shift, everything around them shifted, too, and the situations were resolved.

I highly recommend it -- and it's only $7.95 on amazon. I thought I had read all her books but this one somehow got past me -- up 'til now! -- and I do believe it is my favorite.

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Absolutely, Rachel. That is right on the money.

Rebecca, I get all wriggly and excited when I realize that I'm really getting this. I watch your responses to my posts, and I love that you have corrected me less and less and agreed with me more and more.

Of course, as my yoga instructor used to say, "You don't need to be told you're doing it right. You know because it works." Still, It's nice to get some outside confirmation from someone with so much experience.

Thanks!
Love and blessings,
Rachel

Well I hope I am starting to get it more and more too.

I am talking with someone about partnering up and one of the conditions is me getting an appointment with his carrier. I am meeting with her Monday. It is a difficult appointment to get and there is a agent that has them just down the street but I wont let that bother me. Getting this appointment wil pretty much gaurantee a partnership with him selling his business in the next year or two when he retires.

I will feel relaxed happy and excited all weekend. I will do what ever makes me feel good and will not think any negative thoughts at all this whole weekend. I mean I am being given my opportunity what is not to get excited about. Any thoughts of things turning out for me with anything but pure success or any negativity I will put those aside and just enjoy what ever I can.

I will let you know when I know something.

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will not think any negative thoughts at all this whole weekend

Well, see if you can lighten up on yourself a bit here because those thoughts have "minds of their own" and may show up.

If they do, just notice. You don't have to invite them to dinner.

You know what I'd do if I were in your shoes? I'd just start BLASTing all those people. I'd pour out LOVE on them all weekend. Every time I thought of this situation or anyone involved, I'd just bless the heck out of 'em and wish them all good things.

It feels wonderful to do that and when you are actively choosing to pour out love, there is no space at all for any thoughts that feel bad to come in.

Try it. It's really rewarding -- right in the moment and in the long run, too.

Thanks Rebecca that is some solid advice.

Have a great weekend....