I have a 15 year old daughter who has been ill for 2 years with a debilitating illness. It has been a major disruption to her life, with her not being able to attend school, and having had a big impact on friendships, activities etc etc. She experiences pain, nausea and temperature irregularities on a daily basis; and sometimes other horrible symptoms as well.

We have talked together about what good changes have happened as a result of her illness. But it is still difficult dealing with the reality of her symptoms on a daily basis (more so for her of course). There is very little medically that has helped, and traditional medicine has also not alleviated her condition ... up until now!

My question is really just: does anyone have suggestions of how to deal with this in ways that are creative and healing ... and where my focus can shift from her illness to her wellness, without negating her current reality??

Hope that makes sense and thank you in advance.

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without negating her current reality??

What do you mean by that?

What she is experiencing in terms of her illness ...

Jayne

Hi Rebecca,

Just realised that that last bit might not be clear either. To explain a little more: one of our experiences with the hospital and drs we visit since Josie's illness has been a tendency to almost tell her that she can think herself out of her illness; they've told her to not focus on her symptoms, but to get on with other things regardless. Josie has experienced this as very invalidating and negating of how ill she feels, and comes away from these visits very distressed. She feels they are telling her that her illness (which is labelled Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Post Viral Illness) is not real. And of course it is very real, and she does have to deal with horrible symptoms on a day to day basis, and it has disrupted her life enormously.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I want to help her without leading to her feeling invalidated or negated. I want to help her focus on getting well, without her feeling that I don't understand or believe her experience of being sick.

Hope that helps. I'm finding it quite hard actually to clarify what I do mean ...

Thanks,
Jayne

Hmmm,

Have you both sat down and asked yourselves what you want. I am serious.

Did you sit down and try and put it in sentences that make it coherent and clear as to what you are asking for?

Come up with a clear mental image of what you are seeking. There is an interesting part in The Secret that deals with some amazing healing. The man used the same ideas that SOGR presents in the book by Wattles.

Also, have you tried a board with images of what you want to help focus? I mean pictures of the sports your daughter would like to be playing and activities or just the radiant image of health she wants to be...

First get clear on what you want. Then get into the feeling of what it is like to have what you want.

I really think you both might like to do the Course as it can help you put all the SOGR principles into action. Both of you do it together.

Also there is another site The Science of Being Well. That would be a good site to also join as it deals with things from another Wattles book.

But first get real clear in words and images and feelings of what you seek..

Jim

I will share with you the story of my daughter and her story to health. This took place only a couple of years ago.

She was living with her father at the time and was suffering from severe panic attacks (not because she was living with her father).

She came to the point of considering suicide because she hated her inability to do anything without her attacks controlling her every action. Her life was based in fear. The fear of not being in control and feeling powerless.

I swept her up and bought her home with me. Within a matter of weeks she had remembered what an amazing woman she is. She is strong and capable of anything, I knew this; she just needed to be reminded of who she really is and her unique and amazing mind.

Instead of waiting for others to help her or make her feel better, she took the sole responsibility of doing this herself, because she remembered who she really is and that she creates her own reality.

She acted upon this. After doing research on the internet and confirming that she was not dying, but just suffering from panic attacks, she took steps to change her thinking patterns.

I downloaded a workbook from the internet to help her with commencing Cognitive Behaviour Therapy. She found a great psychologist and within a few weeks she had totally changed the way she was thinking.

She believed in herself and abitlity to become a whole person. She acted apon that and she is now a blossoming flower who has never looked back. She is fit and well.

She is now living solo (something she would never have done)thousands of miles from her family and her life is now an adventure instead of a challenge.

She has seen 'The Secret' and read SOGR very recently, and this has helped her remember the power that she had as a child was not childishness, but the power within.

She has experimented again with her abilities and her life is heading in the way she wants it to.

So what is the message here. Empowerment, believing that the quickest healing comes from the mind. Yes, in truly believing that changing our thinking changes our life.

Scientists often give 'the drug' to a group of people for a cure, and a good 'ole fashioned sugar pill to another and often the sugar pill works best. Often they invalidate the success of the drug because of the amazing success of the mind or what some choose to call faith.

My darlin did it and so can your daughter and you.

My fondest regards to the two of you...Cat

Thanks everyone for your responses. I have shown the posts to Josie. She says she doesn't believe in all this sort of 'stuff' - visualising, CMI, using your thinking to change things etc ... which makes it sorta hard! But she has taken up one suggestion to try flaxseed oil with milk (kindly recommended by a SOGR member) for a while and see if it helps - the nausea is a problem for her to even get to drink it, but she says she'll trial it.

Maybe the thing that will help the most is seeing me using all the principles of SOGR and changing my attitudes and my life ...!

Thank you again. I really appreciate the input.

Jayne

Quote "She says she doesn't believe in all this sort of 'stuff' - visualising, CMI, using your thinking to change things etc ... which makes it sorta hard!"

It has taken me some time to try and understand this quote well enough to respond. I understand completley how someone so young as your darlin daughter may have issues with visualising and CMI. We do not always have the same gifts and may not find these tools as helpful as some do. They are after all tools, and because she is a wonderful unique female, as she experiments with life, she will have successes that will reveal her unique gifts and talents to her.

However the way we think is vital to the way we view ourselves and our personal reality. Sometimes our inner voices are so negative that if we were to write down what we say to ourselves and then imagine someone else saying that same thing to us we would be really offended.

So I guess what I am saying is that what my thoughts can change the most, (more than things) is me. My thoughts make me depressed or elated and happy. My thoughts give me despair or hope. My thoughts create my view of myself and the world. And the good news is I can, and have changed them.

So changing the way I think about life, includes my ability heal myself. To me the greatest part of my body that I can heal is my mind and my heart. Everything else after that just seems to come effortlessly.

If I was to make a list of all of the special people in my life. My name would be on the top of that list. I believe in myself. I would wish this for your daughter. She just needs to recognise her great worth and that she is capable of great things. hat is the harm in experimenting with this.

This is not a religous cult it is some wonderful tools for living. Nothing here can hurt you. It can only empower you, so what is the harm in experimenting with this.....Regards....Cat

Thanks for your response/s Cat. I think maybe the ideas and tools from SOGR are something I'll be able to pass on with time and Josie seeing my own changes ... I accept that there's no point pushing something onto her when she is not ready. I can tell her things and she can decide when she is ready. I can offer whatever I have to offer, and she will be open to receive when she is open ... That's about where I'm at at the moment.

Thanks again,
Jayne

Hi Jayred,

My heart goes out to you. I, too, had a daughter, Kelly, had health problems all her life (with liver disease), and who passed into the World of Spirit in March, 2006. I am not wanting to be morbid here, but do want to say that I have had more than enough experience in this realm. Kelly was diagnosed to live until two years of age. She thrived off and on to 23. Maybe the following will help.

You can use the SOGR guidellines to envision her taking steps to heal herself, and compliment her on her wisdom and willingness to be accountable for her health with each little or big one that she takes. What we focus on comes to life. Since the docs have not been entirely supportive, that can be used to mirror a beautiful calling to do her own research online. Perhaps she can find others who have healed. There may be Forums for chronic fatigue, etc. with teens, who are dealing with the same things.

[URL=www.dreamhealer.com[/URL] is a site about a world reknowned 19 year old healer, Adam, whose mentor is Edgar Mitchell, one of the astronauts, who walked on the Moon. Can't get anymore scienfically proven than that! There are many scientists who validate Adam's work, as it is on he cutting edge of quantum physics, just as Mr. Wattles' SOGR principles are. Plus, he's a young guy, who had his vision at 16, and she will be able to relate, maybe.

Adam teaches people to use intense visualization to heal themselves. Wherever he lectures, 1,000's show up. In my view, Adam's way is a match for the SOGR.

I also found that diet toxicity affected Kelly's moods and willingness about things. When their bodies are toxic, it affects their thinking.

One more thing. When Kel was first diagnosed,there was no "cure", such as in this case (Chronic Fatigue, etc.), and thus, I, like you, was free to experiment with alternatives, which I am certain kept her alive and thriving for many years.

I looked at the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual imbalances that might have been present, and when she was young made great strides. When she was older, and making her own decisions more or less, I would envision all kinds of things, inhaling Light energy from Formless Substance, and exhaling it into her aura in my vision. I would lay in the tub and do this nightly, and every time I did, she would get better. It didn't save my child's life in the end, but it did make it a better quality.

We love our children, yet we were never meant to control them. All we can do is the best we can, and then we have to let go. And, we can still help though, by envisioning them at their best.

I hope this helps some.

Blessings to you and your girl.
Kay

There is an alternative healing therapy that is quickly gaining momentum because it works to cure almost anything for anyone! I have used it extensively the past few months to release many negative beliefs AND overcome some physical issues that I've had for years, like a sore wrist, and pain in my lower back to name a couple.

The site with all the info is:

www.emofree.com

Here's to full health for all!

Hello Jayred,

"...she can think herself out of her illness..."

This is correct.

Reality is a manifestation of energy. This phenomenon of energy manifestation is related to the consciousness and the type and intention of thoughts applied.

It is thus only possible to experience what one thinks is possible. What one thinks, is relative to the language one uses to think with and the words of that language one uses.

Certain languages have the concepts of past, present and future. Quantum physics, for one though, only has 'now' as does the language of for instance the Hopi-nation. After all, history is only an accumulation of opinions, and opinions are changeable by the choices one makes. So, history is an illusion and doesn't repeat itself, but historians repeat each other. And in doing so the history illusion becomes self-sustaining.

So letting go and focusing thoughts on 'being healthy' and that this is 'normal' avoids creating a reality in which one desires to become healthy, which results in sowing 'desire' and reaping 'desire'.

Cheers.

Hi, Jayred... I just read your post on your daughter and, since I am a pranic healer, I immediately scanned her energy body and found a couple of imbalances that could be contributing to Josie's current discomfort/disability (I refuse to label diseases in order not to perpetuate them in time).

If you and Josie give me permission, I can joyfully practice my distant healing skills with her and you give me feedback over this service on how she is doing. It may be simpler than anyone thinks, just removing some energy blockers from her energy bodies.

When she gets better, you can donate the amount you desire to Rebecca's SOGR fund, so I can pay a higher tuition for this invaluable course.

I believe that's a fair deal where none of us is doing for the other something that could lead to the belief that any of us has a bigger higher power by any means.

By the way, I have always done this kind of work for free, but my teachers say it is important for the person receiving the healing to be connected to his/her own healing power of which the healer is a mere facilitator and give something in return.

I used to believe that it was not fair to charge money for spiritual healing services, so I actually make a pretty good living from my profession as a Certified Public Translator and family road-building company manager. But the exercises in SOGR have led me to realize that my soul's dream is to make healing practice and teaching my livelihood --it makes my soul soar.

Hoping I can be of help.

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Originally posted by Kahana Pono:
Hi Jayred,

My heart goes out to you. I, too, had a daughter, Kelly, had health problems all her life (with liver disease), and who passed into the World of Spirit in March, 2006. I am not wanting to be morbid here, but do want to say that I have had more than enough experience in this realm. Kelly was diagnosed to live until two years of age. She thrived off and on to 23. Maybe the following will help.


We love our children, yet we were never meant to control them. All we can do is the best we can, and then we have to let go. And, we can still help though, by envisioning them at their best.

I hope this helps some.

Blessings to you and your girl.
Kay

Thank you so much Kay for your wonderfully kind thoughts and suggestions. I am so sorry for your loss - even though I can see you have an amazing attitude in dealing with your the loss of your daughter, it must still be a difficult time, and I truly appreciate your willingness to offer me support.

Josie is in a place where she just wants to live her life to the best of her ability - which is a great attitude really. The first one and a half years of this `unwellness' she was mostly house-bound, and often even unable to shower and dress. This past six months she has changed enormously - despite still have many symptoms, she decided she just wants a life and has developed new friendships and has a boyfriend, goes out with them or has them home, decided to do her school exams and get back to school next year, and has taken on a small job in a cafe. So, pretty amazing really! She is sometimes really laid up with pain and nausea etc and just can't get out, but mostly she keeps going. I have suggested many things to her (supplements - which she sometimes takes; diet changes; acupunture etc etc), and also seen many drs and practitioners - she's really not interested in any of it - not even forums where there are other people/teens who are experiencing the same thing. I have come to think that she has chosen the best course for her, and that I can be the one who looks into it more and seeks for some answers to her suffering. Her focus and time is spent on things that give her fun and pleasure ... so that is good!

I keep returning to me working on myself being the thing that will make the difference.

Thank you again so much, and I wish you many blessings and all good things in life. You are a remarkable woman.

Jayne

PS I'll check out that website.

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Originally posted by Vibrant:
There is an alternative healing therapy that is quickly gaining momentum because it works to cure almost anything for anyone!

Here's to full health for all!

Hi Vibrant,

Thank you so much for your input. I've been looking into EFT and experimenting with it, and will continue to do so - it seems to make a lot of sense.

Wishing you abundance,

Jayne

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Originally posted by Maria Elena:
Hi, Jayred... I just read your post on your daughter and, since I am a pranic healer, I immediately scanned her energy body and found a couple of imbalances that could be contributing to Josie's current discomfort/disability (I refuse to label diseases in order not to perpetuate them in time).

If you and Josie give me permission, I can joyfully practice my distant healing skills with her and you give me feedback over this service on how she is doing. It may be simpler than anyone thinks, just removing some energy blockers from her energy bodies.

When she gets better, you can donate the amount you desire to Rebecca's SOGR fund, so I can pay a higher tuition for this invaluable course.

But the exercises in SOGR have led me to realize that my soul's dream is to make healing practice and teaching my livelihood --it makes my soul soar.

Hoping I can be of help.

Hello Maria,

Thank you for your kind offer. I am more than happy to give your healing a try (I need to ask her permission first). And more than willing to do as you suggest in contributing a donation to SOGR when she is well.

I am so glad for you that SOGR has helped you to realise where your heart's desires lie! That's wonderful.

Could you please give me more information on what you do and what we might expect?

Thanks again,

Jayne

Thank you all so much for such amazing outflowing of good wishes and offers of help. It is truly appreciated.

Jayne

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Could you please give me more information on what you do and what we might expect?

And please do that via the Private Topic system. Thanks!

Jayred-

When I was 19 yrs old, I was diagnosed with a debilitating illness as a result of a virus that had attached my body. The irony is that they just couldn't find the virus. I was in college and had stubbornly endured what may have been pneumonia because I didn't want to miss finals.

However, as the months progressed I had gotten worse. By the time I couldn't walk anymore - doctors gave my parents an image (CMI) of what my future would look like. It included a wheelchair. I distinctly remembered saying to myself, NOT ME BUDDY!

I've always been pretty stubborn - but this time it literally saved my life. As doctors described this deteriorating image of me - I began to imagine myself walking - running - laughing - healthy etc. I did this not just once - but several times throughout the day. I fasted - against doctors "better judgement" and told them I would walk out of that hospital. I just drank water. This must have been Divine Intelligence since I didn't even know about fasting at the time.

So, when Rebecca asks you what you mean by "without negating the current reality". I ask you what "REALITY" are you forming for your daughter. More importantly what "REALITY" has your daughter formed for herself?

My reality is that I walked (slowly - but I surely did) out of that hospital about 1 week after I spoke the word that I would walk out of that hospital. (btw - the hospital is located across the street from a cemetary)

I was completely restored within a month. It was a hideous experience for which I am ever grateful - because I am able to give others hope.

Doctors said they couldn't explain it.

I am 100% healthy and whole to this day. I moved to Manhattan after graduation so I could WALK everywhere. I never take my legs or my health for granted. EVER!

I thank GOD every day for what He did for me.

It works according to your faith.

Be Well-
LeTicia

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Originally posted by LeTicia:
Jayred-
When I was 19 yrs old, I was diagnosed with a debilitating illness as a result of a virus that had attached my body. The irony is that they just couldn't find the virus.

So, when Rebecca asks you what you mean by "without negating the current reality". I ask you what "REALITY" are you forming for your daughter. More importantly what "REALITY" has your daughter formed for herself?

Thanks for your input LeTicia. I'm so glad you recovered from whatever it was you had. You were obviously very clear that you were not going to be ill, which is great.

Josie's reality is that she does experience pain, nausea and other symptoms on a daily basis. However, she is very determined and courageous and goes on with her life to the best of her ability. She believes that she will get better in time.

My belief/realilty for her is that she will be better in time also. In the meantime, I love her and support her and admire her and encourage her with all my heart.

Jayne