I was able to get the free offer for the Masters of the Secret, interviews with some of the Secret Teachers by Bill Harris.

Although they are interesting they do not really expand a great deal on what is presented in the movie and are plugging several other systems. The only part that actually raised concern with me (though is sounds fascinating too) is an experience James Ray had with a Shamen in South America which involved taking a plant substance, found only in one plant which releases a burst of a chemical produced naturally in the human body, but there is only a burst of it naturally during birth and immediately prior to death. The result is compared to an out of body experience. Wiccan rituals are also discussed in the interview. My concern is that this encourages drug taking (similar effects are medically shown to be caused by substances like LSD and amphetamies) but also for where it fits with Wattles cautioning not to dabble in spiritualism or the occult which to me it seems to contradict.

My concern is that some of these "sideshow" courses lack substance and only create the desire for more which means buying the next lesson, and the next and the next, perhaps none of which reveal a great deal more. Science of Getting Rich and the (appropriately named) Practical Geniuses Course in contrast provide a real and complete applied way of using the law of attraction from developing a CMI and going through the steps to manifest it.

Wallace Wattles warns of getting involved in a mixture of systems and as a result not succeeding in any of them. Now that I have proven that practically (I've become rather distracted the past few weeks) my intention as of now is to forget about the Secret (apart from watching the movie now and then) and focus entirely on repeating the Practical Geniuses course over and over.

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Originally posted by katpoo:
croz
You have said so eloquently what I am feeling so thank you.

To the people that are trying to stop this debate by saying it is an argument and Wally says don’t argue........I have to ask, were you not taught how to debate in uni?? I have seen nothing on here that constitutes an argument just a difference of opinion, surely that has to be more healthy than a *Moonie like* happy clappy, ra ra ra tell us how to think and we will all agree

katpoo

I fully concur, Katpoo...and so do my 6 cats (regarding your signature)

Hi All,
Very interesting discussion, I wonder Croz if you happen to realise that the link given in one of Rebeccas 'between issues' I think to find out more about the new secretsgr program is actually her affliate link (which I suspected it would be). Out of curiosity I signed up for the 7 free lessons and when they arrive they are signed by Rebecca. If I was her I would have done the same thing, in fact I tried to sign up for the program myself but the universe had other ideas as the payment wouldn't go through - several times. Meantime the relaunced program (it all shut down for a couple of days) is minus one of the three teachers originally in it (Rev Beckwith) so I'm curious about the reason for that. I would ask though are the secret people just out to make money or are they generating an awareness that will benefit more than not. Every piece of information or program etc etc that's ever been broadcast will always get misused or interpreted, isn't that part of the journey for some people?
Cheers
gertie

Hi Gertie

Unfortunately SOGR has very little to do with the product. The actual product is the right to onsell the package and get a generous comission.

All the writing in the world cannot justify selling something for $1995 that is freely available on numerous websites. The actual lessons that I have seen are very basic and amatureish. Nothing like the course you get here for set your own fee.

I would not care if these people were doing this with any other product, but to do it with a product that in its teachings would not agree with the format is wrong.

The universe is sorting things out and all the proper people who have seen through this have made a big noise telling people they are no longer associated with it. Unfortunately Bob and Jack appear have no genuine interest in teaching SOGR, but are driven by the huge amount of money they will get from this dubious operation.

The competitive furor they have created amongst the people who are trying to sell this would have Wally turning in his grave.

I think that you should feel very lucky that you could not join. Just out of interest see how many that you can sell pretending that you are involved. I think you will be very surprised. Whilst doing it monitor if your sales pitch is about SOGR or the commissions you can earn. That will answer your question. Not one person will purchase this to futher their knowledge about SOGR. WHEW!
Hope this helps

Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

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Originally posted by gertie:
is minus one of the three teachers originally in it (Rev Beckwith) so I'm curious about the reason for that. I would ask though are the secret people just out to make money or are they generating an awareness that will benefit more than not.

gertie

Hi Gertie,

If you look closely at the film, especially the beginning, you will notice the subliminal techniques being used to directly associate various ideas in the viewer which are completely different than the content of the film. Any producer that would need to stoop to such mental manipulation of the audience, certainly has very little faith in whatever product the film is portraying. Another consideration is that the film was advertised to be the revealing of some specific secret itself. Through the associations produced by the "story" it is fairly obvious that the film itself documented only more advertising of the effects of some particular secret. If the film had documented the translated content of the original emerald tablet, then the film would have been, in my opinion, an honestly advertised product. But one should note that the dialogue avoids any mention of the source and only leads the audience to believe that such a connection exists. It is because of these acts, as well as the naming of "the Secret" as the already well documented "Law of Attraction" that the film to me appears to be aimed at those whom are gullible enough to be deceived by psychological craft work. But that's just me. You should examine the subliminal portions of the film frame by frame for yourself before forming your own opinion.

HI Croz and Isaidso,
Great responses. I appreciate them and love this type of discussion. Isaidso, when you refer to the subliminal portion do you mean the intro before the first dialogue (Bob Proctor) begins, if so, after the first viewing I always skipped it as I regarded it as 'hollywood' theatrics and found it annoying! But please I would like a more detailed explanation of which you speak because I do not know of these techniques. I did find it curious that they never mentioned the book to which they were referring but have to honestly say that; (and I reiterate that I mean here - where I am in my journey and understand that it may not be the case for others) I find the overall content of the film inspiring. THere certainly are important points that aren't well covered I agree and as such I appreciate what you're saying Croz. Yes I agree that the cost considering what can be obtained for nothing is poor as are the free lessons, and like other internet MLMs they push the affliate fees not the program.
Croz you mentioned in your initial post about dreadful things occurring between people after misinterpreting the film, is it possible to apply the SOGR thinking to this situation? and do you feel that overall the film has had a generally positive or negative effect?
Look forward to your replies
gertie

Hi Gertie
As pledged I am not responding to any more discussions on this subject and I encourage everyone to join me.
It has been discussed enough and is now going into the arena of repeating itself.
I think I have said all I can on the subject.
Lets ALL get back on track.

Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

One thing the Secret has caused me to do is to become acutely aware of my power to create. It has cause me to identify two genuine sources of information to study and practice daily. That being the master key system by Charles Hannel and The Science Of Getting Rich by Wallace D Wattles. Both I find are complimentary.

I found once I decided to apply myself to the understanding of these works a strange sense of peace and confidence has taken up residence with me and even though external circumstances dont warrant this sense of peace and confidence it is never the less there ever present.

I'm excited about practicing these teachings and alll the more so, all that I am now attracting because of my fast expanding awareness.

M

Good Morning,
Much gratitude for this beautiful morning here in Northern California...even though it is a bit overcast. I had the opprotunity to play a little catch up on the postings this morning. I had the opportunity to go to a James Ray FREE seminar 2 weeks ago. I whole heartdly agree with CAM......take what you will and leave the rest. There was nothing that I liked about his hard sell tactics. There were some of his WORDS that rang in a very spiritual manner. Stating that none of his offered course was possible WITHOUT GRATITUDE and spirituality. What kept going through my mind was that his EGO had moved in....I think that it might be hard for any of us to keep out EGOS in check with the exposure that has been given to this topic. Life is sweet and I can't let the negative get in the way.

Yes I Can, Yes I Can, Yes I Can.
Have a grateful day.

These posts and others like it talking about the Secret is putting a negative spin on that movie for others who haven't seen it. I thought the movie (I've only seen the original version) was excellent along with What the Bleep and the Celestine Prophecy. The controversy is not to do with "The Secret" it is the methods of certain people who are using the movie to their own means. If further posts are necessary please rename from The Secret to the proper title, the course provided by the authors.

hi there

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These posts and others like it talking about the Secret is putting a negative spin on that movie for others who haven't seen it. I thought the movie (I've only seen the original version) was excellent along with What the Bleep and the Celestine Prophecy. The controversy is not to do with "The Secret" it is the methods of certain people who are using the movie to their own means. If further posts are necessary please rename from The Secret to the proper title, the course provided by the authors

debryan.

i too like croz had decided that i too had said enough. However, the comments about the celestine prophecy have really struck a cord with me. When i first saw the 'circus' that are selling the SSOGR i immediately thought of the 'crap' courses that materialized after the Celestine Prophecy. Even though the author has said he did not endorse any course there were hundreds of courses springing up that would apparently train you in the CP way most of them i discovered were about getting people to go and take drugs in a supervised environment which there is no mention of by the CP author(but basically to rip you off) I have to say that the presenters of the SSOGR have the same 'fishy smell' about them, in my opinion..

The value of the 'secret' looses its meaning when the focus becomes the affiliate program. It is starting to look like a cheap double glazing company, and i am suprised that Rebecca is associating herself with it when so many other people have pulled out.

katpoo

katpoo

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Unfortunately SOGR has very little to do with the product. The actual product is the right to onsell the package and get a generous comission.

All the writing in the world cannot justify selling something for $1995 that is freely available on numerous websites. The actual lessons that I have seen are very basic and amatureish. Nothing like the course you get here for set your own fee.

I do have to say up front that I am not totally convinced the first statement is untrue. As I said in another post that this certainly seems to be the affiliate program du jour that everyone seems to be hoping to profit off of. Of course, that is just my perception based on recent observation. It's not as if I have any scientific evidence to back this up, so take it for what it's worth.

That said, I have been thinking about the price tag on this program a little more, and whether or not it would be a "good value" for anyone, regardless of how much information one could glean on one's own for free. And the more I think about it the more I think this is also a possibility. Not everyone is capable of or interested in the self-teaching model. Not everyone has the time or interest to go searching for what they are looking for. And not everyone is restricted by their finances. Just in reading some of the free lessons in the SSOGR program, it is plain to me that they are talking about and referencing a whole lot more than SOGR. For example, one person I see mentioned is Jose Silva. I happen to know about Jose Silva because I read alot of books by Shakti Gawain, a student of Silva, back in the 80's on Creative Visualization. More recently I've taken the free version of the Silva Ultra Mind course and would love to take the full version, but as yet haven't found the means to do so. True, it's not as much as SSOGR, but still it's (I think) around $300, which for alot of folks is a good chunk of change. So anyway, I was thinking that if I took this course, and maybe Rebecca's course (at her full value, of course,) a Tony Robbins or James Allen course, or whoever they're quoting and referencing, attended even one live seminar, bought all the books that were referenced, etc. etc. etc. it could very well start getting in the range of 2 grand. And even if not, and I were a person who made a lot more money with my time lol, the time I spend doing all this searching and whatnot certainly would cost me something as well.

So I guess what I am saying is that the course itself (which at this point to me is sight unseen anyway and this is all assumptive on my part and anyone else who hasn't seen it yet) could in fact be worth to some people the price they are paying for it. Though I do hope, as has been said, that no-one will part with money they can't afford when the information can be had with a little due dilligence for a whole lot less.

In fact I did sign up for the free affiliate link via Rebecca's initial email for the free class, which I am going to place on my blog. And with the link I plan to come right out and say, hey, you don't have to pay for this course and say why. But if someone actually wants to buy the SSOGR and save themselves the legwork, get it all in one neat package with a spiffy briefcase, and they are able to do so, knowing there are alternatives, well, I don't really see a problem with that.

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Originally posted by luckym:

if someone actually wants to buy the SSOGR and save themselves the legwork, get it all in one neat package with a spiffy briefcase, and they are able to do so, knowing there are alternatives, well, I don't really see a problem with that.

very well said

We get what we attract, think about or feel about, watch your thoughts carefully or you'll definitely get what you asked for.