Hey all,

My name is Tony and I am from Brisbane, Australia. I've just joined the Pratical Geniuses course on the SOGR network. Before I get to my question, I'd like to encourage everyone who has been thinking of doing the course to take a leap of faith and jump on board. My weekly income has trebled since starting the program, and the best bits are yet to come! This has been one of my best investments, and for less than $100.

Ok, so down to biz... 4th paragraph, Chapter 4 if you want to locate it. Here's the into...

"The thought of a house of a certain construction, if it were impressed upon Formless Substance, might not cause the instant formation of the house; but it would cause the turning of creative energies already working in trade amd commerce into such channels as to result in the speedy building of the house."

Now here's the interesting part...

"And if there were no exisiting channels through which the creative energy could work, then the house would be formed DIRECTLY from primal substance, without waiting for the slow processes of the organic and inorganic world."

So, does anyone have a comment on that beauty? I mean, I've heard of manifestation but this sounds like Sai Baba stuff.

I'm very interested in this concept and would love to hear your thoughts.

With love,

Tony

Tony: Welcome!I know for a fact that I wanted to
have a six figure in my bank acccount for a cushion between deals-and my desire and focus and intention was so strong-that a line of credit that I has just paid off in Dec and I had requested in writing all of a sudden I was told I could have have it! I called the bank and sure enough it presented itself in a matter of days from the original thought inception!
My impression is that things will manifest and not necessarily the "conventional" way-it usually take me 120 days from the day I buy a repair it market it and close it and then I get a nice jingle in my pocket this took less than 12-it took 7 more or less! So yes once you manifest-you have to be ever so discipline because the Universe does respond favorably immediately-Rebecca addressed this point in a different thread in the past few days.
Tony I had committed to doing bigger deals and within days an opportunity to do a couple of dozen homes presented itself and someone called me-and allowed me to take advantage of a deals that I would have had to share -and instead I was able to acquire the entire package-I have had incredible results with this course I listen to the cd to the point where I need another set! My relationship with my son has improved -it was good but now it is better!!!
your thoughts will create immediately and our will and desire if they are focused will
transcend conventional methods of manifestation-I a living proof of it!!!
I live and breathe my desires to the point of
every waking moment-I am now in a position to
give and give to my favorites causes and family who are in need -I am so grateful -for the opportunity to help my auntie martha who now needs me-Mountains are moved to bring you your desires of a purposeful life.May you be blessed with manifestation to te max!Vicki

Welcome Tony,

I've thought for a long time that the most important story in the Bible is the one where Peter, with the encouragement of Jesus (and the faith thereby obtained), walks on the water. He only makes it a few steps before his doubt and fear return and he's sinking up to his knees.

It's clear that we can all do WAY more than we recognize. Personally, for the foreseeable future, I will be very satisfied to master the teachings of SOGR and keep my thoughts directed toward ONLY what I want and nothing else.

That said, someone has to lead the way. That is how I see Jesus, Buddha, and others. As way-showers. What Jesus did was not miraculous, it was our birthright. He said it and others have said it. The question is - Is your mind clear enough to bring it to fruition? More to all, less to none?

As I'm typing this I'm thinking "If my mind is clear enough, is there anything I'll want?" My guess is no. But it's definitely interesting.

Hi Tony,

When I read that chapter for the first time my jaw fell open and out came a big WOW! Just imagine. Our thoughts, our focus, our belief being so powerful, so deep, so experienced that you can have a house appear practically in front of your eyes. I think that we are a long way off being able to do so, but that's only because "we" are in kindergarten when it comes to being,living the SOGR way. I do however believe that once this way, THE CERTAIN WAY, is so embedded in our way of life,comes so naturally to us, from the moment we are a baby, that this can and will be able to happen, to anything you put your mind to. Awesome isn't it? There is a reason why humans only "use" approx. 10% of their brain capacity - we aren't ready yet. At least, that's how I see it.
Good to have you on the forum.

Hey guys,

Thanks for your awesome responses everyone. I was most inspired by Vicki's story of real estate wealth and Bill's reminder of our teachers.

Desiree, you blew my mind with your post and I reckon this was the answer I was looking for. It is possible to manifest something out of nothing e.g. to have a golden coin turn up in your hand out of thin air. I was reminded of a great book I read - Autobiography of a Yogi (full online book is available here http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/)

In AoaY, Paramhansa Yogananda's teacher was able to do just this and he documented it. However, for most of us our experience has been that this is not possible, hence we have a belief system around that. I'm sure many of you have heard the story of Christopher Columbus sailing into shore in his ships and the local natives not being able to see the ships, because they were not part of their previous or current experience in life, up until now. It took their teacher (the tribe's wise man) to recognise the disturbances in the water, learn how to see the boat and then show the others.

Very interesting...

Vicky you brought tears of joy to my eyes... thank you so much for taking the time to tell us the good stuff.
What a great thread.

Eileen

What an interesting thread!
Tony, that link you gave doesn't work...Did you spell it wrongly?

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Originally posted by stellapolaris:
What an interesting thread!
Tony, that link you gave doesn't work...Did you spell it wrongly?

I noticed you have to remove the ) at the end. Then it works fine.

An interesting thread indeed. In a couple of weeks / months I will come back to it with some good news. Sorry, I have to keep the secrecy for now!

Lucky
May your dominant thoughts make you smile!
I'll help you to Become a Better Tennis Player

Hi Lucky,

I think it's a good idea not to talk about your plans, dreams and CMIs. Of course, once the reality is there for everyone to see, shout it out to the world.

Wishing you the very best.

Tony,
I am practicing that thought of the instant manifestation. I, too, am intrigued by it and know that it can happen, I just haven't "remembered" how!

One experience that reminds me that we can do anything we want (which leads to be and have anything) is when I did the firewalk at a Tony Robbins event. I had seen him on tv a few times doing his infomercial and I was interested. I went to an event and after being there only a few hours I walked across 12 feet of hot coals. Some people got burned, but I did not. He noted that he does that event the first night of the weekend because he wants to get that out of the way so you can get down to why you're really there - basically, to live larger! I did that several years ago and can still feel the "cool moss" under my feet instead of the hot coals. I did slightly burn the side of my foot as I was walking away from the pit as I was not focused at that point.

The point is that when we are focused and when we believe then we can do anything. ANYTHING. Just like the Yogi. That power is not reserved for the few. It is for EVERYONE. All you have to do is believe. I truly believe that. The story of the indians does help to validate that for me as well.

Thank you for this post! It gave me an opportunity to remember and re-live that event. I'm going to go expand my horizons and look for some ships!

Thank you Tony for starting this thread! And thank everyone who posted here! This is the thread I needed to read! All of this has helped tremendously! Keep on posting!

So the book is flawed?

quote:

Every thought of form, held in thinking Substance, causes the creation of the form, but always, or at least generally, along lines of growth and action already established.

The world has been expanding, evolving and growing for some time now so the statement:

quote:

And if there were no existing channels through which the creative energy could work, then the house would be formed directly from primal substance, without waiting for the slow processes of organic and inorganic world.

...would be purely hypothetical, right?

The author also says:

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We have not yet reached the stage of development, even supposing such a stage to be possible, in which man can create directly from Formless Substance without nature’s processes or the work of human hands; man must not only think, but his personal action must supplement his thought.

Speaking in terms of evolution, thousand of years in the future we might reach this stage of development??

Some people believe that instant creation of physical objects and other fantastic mental abilities are humanly possible due to the fact that people only use about 10% of their brain capacity. First of all, there is no scientific evidence to suggest that we use only 10% of our brains. It's a myth.

If it were humanly possible to create physical objects out of thin air, why hasn't it been done? Statistically surely someone would have developed this talent by now, don't you think? But you'll never know for sure unless you try it, right? So go for it. Just don't let any self-proclaimed "guru" claiming to be able to do anything take advantage of you in the process. If you succeed I guess we'll all hear more from you later. Good Luck.

Hello Zero,

There are two ways in which one can read SOGR. 1. Read it without an open mind, try to find "fault" in it according to your own beliefs and never have the intention of following the principles given just so you can say to yourself and others what you have written.
2. Read it with an open mind and give yourself the chance to embrace what it can do for you, if you do what the books asks of you.
My thought is that you read the book in version number 1. Why spend your energy on something you do not intend to follow is something only you can answer, I can only say, and I think that goes for many people on this forum - don't knock what you haven't tried with 100% effort. As for the book being flawed, I can say that you are 100% wrong there - though I have not been following the principles for long, I have proof it works for me, and others have proof it works for them.
I wish you well and peace of mind.

Actually, Zero, people have created gold out of thin air - check Tony's link to the biography of the yogi.
Ever heard about Einstein and the theory of relativity?? It's the same stuff.
Except from that, I agree with Desiree. Why waste your time here??

EVERYTHING is created out of "nothing," actually. The "nothing" is energy (or whatever else you want to call it: the formless substance, for example).

Is the book flawed? Well, of course it is, just as EVERY book is flawed. It's also nearly 100 years old and we have clearer understanding and explanations now of some of the principles it lays out. That's why we discuss the principles here.

Does it WORK? You bet! So you can either use it or you can analyze it to pieces and never do anything with it. I like the results of the first option MUCH better!

I think one key to manifestation is being open to seeing what we 'think' isn't there. There is a lot of 'empty' space around us.

My question about the book being flawed was in relation to some statements made in this thread, not the book itself. I didn't interpret the text the same way as the original poster. I think the quotes were lifted out of its context. Everyone decides what to believe, of course. I just think the topic was far too interesting not to discuss.

Desiree, Hi

I'm really glad it's working for you.

Just want you to know I didn't bring my own bagage into this one, looking for answers only not for opportunities to say "told you so". I'm reading the book with an open mind but the book doesn't cover everything, right? Beyond the scope of the book there are different paths leading to different places.


Hi stellapolaris,

quote:

By thought you can cause the gold in the hearts of the mountains to be impelled toward you; but it will not mine itself, refine itself, coin itself into double eagles, and come rolling along the roads seeking its way into your pocket.

Sorry haven't read the 48 chapters about the yogi. But if you have, do you know if the yogi could do this?


Hi Rebecca,

Good points. Of course everything is flawed in that sense there's always room for advancement and improvement. And we sure do know more today than we did 100 years ago. I'm saying that some of this clearer understanding and explanations are based on what we do know, facts, and some of it is based on what we think we know (generally speaking). And that's what I'm trying to analyze from different viewpoints. My apologies for being unclear. I understand that everything is created out of the formless substance, but the topic of this thread goes beyond this understanding.

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Originally posted by Zero:

Some people believe that instant creation of physical objects and other fantastic mental abilities are humanly possible due to the fact that people only use about 10% of their brain capacity. First of all, there is no scientific evidence to suggest that we use only 10% of our brains. It's a myth.

Hi Zero ~

Your above statement drew my attention. I have often heard that we really only use 1/10th of 1% of our brain. But whether we use that amount, 10%, 20%, etc., it's clear to me that we certainly don't use 100% of our brain's capacity.

It's been said that the human brain has a much higher level of complexity than even the most powerful computer. The potential of our brain is amazing. It is unlimited.

At this present time it certainly seems that the capacity of the human brain greatly exceeds any use we might make of it during our rather short life. So why does the human brain have such tremendous capacity? Is it possible that we were designed to keep on taking in knowledge forever? Why are we able even to conceive of terms such as "everlasting life"?

Personally, I think our brains are capable of much more than we realize and that someday we will use our brains to their full potential.

Thanks for some interesting discussion material.

Hi Laurie

You know what, I hope you are right.

My guess would be we're using most part of our brain's capacity, but far from as effectively as we could.

I'm not so sure I buy that paragraph. For one thing, it's not consistent with the theme that growth happens through established channels.

I would expect that if there were no exisiting channels through which the creative energy could work, then the channels would be created...which is exactly what has been happening for the last 15 billion years.

I, too, can make a coin appear in my hand. It's called sleight of hand. My favorite method is the back-clip. The best size coin for this is a half-dollar. Not to call the guru a liar, necessarily, but...street magicians and "fakirs" are very common in India, it's kind of a tradition, and the guru might have thought it was the best way to make his point.

By the way, why is India not a superpower?