Hi All:

I used to participate more actively in this forum, but for the past several years I only find myself coming back occasionally for some reading and inspiration.

SOGR is printed out and in a 3-ring binder in my nightstand. I've probably read it from cover to cover at least 3 times but I still don't "get it".

By nature, I'm very analytical and skeptical - I question/doubt almost everything. But at the same time, I'm constantly searching for that magical something that will make me happy, un-depressed, passionate about life, and give me a sense that I actually KNOW my life purpose and feel like I'm doing some good here. Lately (ie. last 2-3 years) I've taken an interest in things of a more spiritual nature and started reading some metaphysical stuff too. BTW, I'm a 38 year old computer engineer.

In addition to all that, I'm pretty sure I have ADD and suffer with a bit of depression (runs in my whole family). So, I tend to jump from one thing to another, change my interests about as often as I change my underwear, and I'm generally not very happy with my life and think there should be something more. OK, maybe I don't change interests THAT often, but you get the picture. :-)

Anyway, I've recently been debating on whether or not to join the Practical Geniuses course and start working through that. Regardless of how much I pay for the course (yes, I'm struggling with that too), I'm most concerned with the fact that I'll start it and not finish it. Or that I'll get it and it won't be what I expected so I'll just toss it aside when the next thing comes along.

As far as what SOGR teaches, I totally feel in tune with that and it resonates in my heart & soul as something that must be true. But for some reason, I just can't get over that hump between thinking that SOGR is great, and KNOWING that it will work for me. I constantly find myself slipping back into negativity, bitching about stupid little things around the house & job, worrying/complaining about money, wondering when my life will suddenly get better, etc, etc, etc...

Does anyone actually think the course can help me with all of these issues? I mean, if I make a committment to actually stick with it and do everything is says to do, will it make a difference? Truly? Or should I just give up and seek professional counceling and/or high-powered meds? ;-)

Thanks for your help!

Dave

Hey Dave,

First, are you capable of a decision? Can you make a commitment to yourself for 60 days? That's all you need to do for the course. Commit to 60 days, a lesson every other day. AND DO IT!!!!

Look at your self-talk. "looking for something magical, have ADD, suffer depression, change my interests, not very happy" Are you ready to change that? If you are, the course will help you see your whole world in a new light. But you have to commit.

My education is in engineering too. Just like it says in the book, you have to be willing to accept the premises on faith. Accept them as true and test them. Sounds like you don't have a lot to lose except your "stuff listed above".

Can it help? YES Will it help? That's up to you.

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Originally posted by MaudMan:
BTW, I'm a 38 year old computer engineer.

Hi Dave,

I think the engineer attitude (do this to get that result; variations can lead to another result) in itself, is a great one to have if you want to get results with SOGR. (Or isn't that the engineer mindset?)

I definitely think that the Practical Geniuses Course is a great tool for you when you want to create change in your life.

It can help you to be, do or have anything you want.

Are you sure yet what you (do) want?

Lucky

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Hi Dave

I have bad news for you. The course will not change anything. You can do it 50 times and nothing will change.

Hear this no one or anything can change you. Only you can change.

If you start anything with a defeatist attitude you will get nowhere.

I suggest that you make a solid comittment to yourself that you are going to do the course, and also make a comittment to finish it. If you do not you will just be wasting your time.

ABILITY is what you are capable of doing.
MOTIVATION is what drives you on.
ATTITUDE is how well you do it.

I promise that if you do EXACTLY what you are told in the course, you cannot fail to have a significant change in your life.

But remember the actual doing of the course will not change anything. You must change.
It is not what you read that changes things, it is what you do with what you read.

Good Luck


Abundance to All

Croz from OZ

The things we wish to do with ease, we must first do with dilligence.

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Originally posted by croz:
I have bad news for you. The course will not change anything. You can do it 50 times and nothing will change.

Hear this no one or anything can change you. Only you can change.

Thanks for your honesty Croz. I've been reading many of your past posts here on the forums, especially the ones from the early days when you started the course.

It sounds to me like many of the life lessons are very difficult from the standpoint that you really have to dig into your life and be honest with yourself. I'm guessing you also have to do a bunch of stuff that is probably not very comfortable.

Knowing me, getting myself to do all that would probably be brutal, but it's also probably the best thing I could possibly do for myself at this stage in my life. It also a far cry better than sitting on my butt in front of the TV every night feeling sorry for myself or thinking I should be doing something more productive.

Thanks again for your honesty and the subtle kick in the butt. I think I'm going to read SOGR again (starting tonight) and then make a decision whether or not to commit to doing the course.

Dave

Maudman
Croz gave a great reply. I just wanted to say, once you have made that commitment, stay open to the possibbility that the course will do more than you could imagine (shift your thinking from can it work? to this could be the most amazing thing ever). Remember everything comes from your beliefs and thoughts, once you shift those, your life changes. Do you think it's possible that this course could open you up to ideas that would begin to shift your thinking and perspective? And therefore your beliefs and dominant thoughts? If the answer is yes, then make the commitment and get to work on bettering your life right now(it's no dress rehersal, it's the real thing!) All the best!

I would just like to say that I hear what Maudman is saying, I have read the book twice, the first time about a year and a half ago and then again about 6 months ago. Something in it rang true to me but my psyche did not allow me to follow through with any of what the book was telling me, I am by nature a negative person and if I managed to focus on what I wanted for a day, sure enough, within the day, some negative feeling about something would surface and I would be back at square one again.

I know that this is right and I think this forum is fantastic, it should keep me thinking in the certain way and I can hopefully learn from other people and life can only get better.

Thanks to Rebecca!

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By nature, I'm very analytical and skeptical - I question/doubt almost everything.

Hi Dave,

Am I right if I say that you want to be in controll, that you walk the save way, that you are also in your privat live 'the engeneer who is always sure that if I do this, than that will happen, if I change this cable to the left than that will be movin.....for sure?
It seems to me that you're looking for positive or negative certainty, as a kind of safety.

Do you have found allready the real reason why you call yourself analytical and skeptical - questioning/doubting almost everything?
Have you ever asked yourself this very important question and if you did, did you have the courrage to find the only right answer?

Are you capable of having faith in something you cannot see in the real world.
Do you want to take the risk.
Do you dare to FEEL what you FEEL instead of analicing it away?

A lot of people are 'happy'when they can controll. SOGR is a matter of faith, without any controll.
Controll is fear and will bring you exactly what you don't want and that's your current life and situation.
That's why Dave, if you don't make the dicision to change yourself, I advice you not to make the tuition / not to start with the course, because that will be a waste of your time and money!
SGOR isnt'" First see and than believe!
SGOR is: First believe, than see.......no skeptisysm, no analising, no fear. no controll.

I wish you all the wisdom to make the right move

Yeddah

Hi Dave

I have been following this thread and when I saw Yeddah's name in the reply box this morning, a call sign I recognized(Hi Yeddah), I had another look.

There have been some pretty direct responses here, which I love about this forum. Yeddah's response, in particular, really hit a chord with me.

Hi Yeddah,

Haven't seen your name on these forums for a while - good to see you posting again.

Hi All,
I just had a comment to make... I started this course about 3 months ago. By LL8, things really began to change. My husband had a job prospect at 3 1/2 times what he currently makes, I had someone ask me (out of the blue)about opening and running a business for him and also expanding my current business. (I am self-employed). Let me tell you, I was blown-away!! I couldn't believe it. (Which turned out to be the problem) Soon after all of these opputunities began to happen, I stopped doing my LL's, stopped reading the book, etc. I guess I was excited and had so many things on my mind and just didn't make time to continue with the program. Well, about 3 weeks after things began to happen, it fell apart. The job offer was no more because the person who was to hire my husband was no longer in the same department. He was transferred and the new guy hired his friend. The person I was to go into business with had some kind of financial setback and would not be able to do anything for some time. Life started to get in the way (as it always does) and I am just now able to restart the course and no matter what happens, I will continue.

I guess what I am trying to say is, that no matter what happens, please make a promise to yourself that you will finish the course and expect great things to happen.

More For All

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Originally posted by UK_TURNER:
I would just like to say that I hear what Maudman is saying, I have read the book twice, the first time about a year and a half ago and then again about 6 months ago. Something in it rang true to me but my psyche did not allow me to follow through with any of what the book was telling me, I am by nature a negative person and if I managed to focus on what I wanted for a day, sure enough, within the day, some negative feeling about something would surface and I would be back at square one again.

WOW - I can DEFINITELY related to what UK_TURNER is saying here!

Everyone has given wonderful advice in response to my original post, and I really appreciate it. But it's very hard to relate what I'm truly stuggling with and why it's so difficult for me to commit to something like this. UK_TURNER does a pretty good job explaining it here, but for those of you who DON'T struggle with something like on a daily basis, there is no way I can convey it properly.

One day I can be 110% gung-ho and psyched to get started on the course -- TOTALLY convinced that I will do it and see it through to the end. And the next day...I'm thinking how stupid that idea was and that I'll probably never complete the silly thing. So I move on to something else, looking for that "magical secret" that is going to change my life.

It's terrible, I know! But I also don't know how to stop sabatoging myself this way.

On a positive note, I have managed to stay interested in SOGR for a number of years, and I keep coming back to it. That's gotta mean something! :-)

Dave

Hi Maudman

OWN UP we all have these problems. No one has made a success of anything by giving up before they start.
Wally says that this is the hardest thing you ever have to do. Have faith.
Do you think that the story with your partner was the only time this had happened. Of course not. The only difference is that you are now looking for or noticing these moments.
If you can stay concentrated for long enough you will notice this happening all around you.
These are the little things that help keep you focused. From this you can get more faith. Have a game with your partner spotting all these events where your minds are in unison. You will be amazed.
I think a good start for you is to stop whineging and just commit to doing the course.
You are not alone. Everyone wants to just read the book and then start counting the money and be happy. IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN.

It is not what you read It is what you do about what you read that matters.

Sit down and give yourself a good talking to and stop being defeatist.

I assure you that if you commit, your life will change.
As I said before only you are in control of you. only you can make any change. You must realise this because you make a pretty good job of making yourself miserable. Imagine the turnaround if you expended the same effort on being happy.

GO FOR IT.[but not half way]

Abundance to all


CRoz from OZ


Things always turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out.

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Originally posted by croz:

OWN UP we all have these problems. No one has made a success of anything by giving up before they start.
Wally says that this is the hardest thing you ever have to do. Have faith.
Do you think that the story with your partner was the only time this had happened. Of course not. The only difference is that you are now looking for or noticing these moments.
If you can stay concentrated for long enough you will notice this happening all around you.

Of course you're right Croz, but darn it...why can't you just let me wallow in my own self-pity??? It's easier that way and I don't have to work so hard! :-)

Dave

In addition to re-reading SOGR, I also printed out the handy little pocket guide and put it in my wallet. I plan to read it at least twice per day.

Thanks Rebecca!

Hello MaudMan and others,

Please know that you are not alone in this decision. I, too, have been strugling with the decision "to take the course" or "to not take the course." You and I have many of the same characteristics... self-defeating, negative thinking, wally in my own self-pity... darn... are you sure you're not me!?

Anyway, after reading this thread... I have decided to bite the bullet and sign up for the course. It scares the daylights out of me... and there are SO many questions... and I'm fearful that I won't "get it." But I'm going to do it and try to think in "that certain way."

Which is issue #2... what is " the certain way?" My mind still has difficulty comprehending what that "way" is! I hope to learn what it is in the course.

Thank you all for encouragine Dave... and thereby encouraging me!

Alison... a newby

I would just like to say that everybody here is absolutely right, you have nothing to lose by following the teachings absolutely for a decent period of time but in so saying, I think you have to be absolutely 100 % in tune with them and the certain way to reap the rewards.

I am trying this wholeheartedly because I have nothing to lose and everything to gain, one thing I would like to ask everybody here, is regards the clear mental image? I am struggling to get a grip on it and maintain it, also do I focus on a small thing to start or do I focus on something larger like a new house for example.

But one last thing before I go, I definitely think gratitude is key to the whole thing and for anybody that has not yet read the Power of Gratitude by Wes Hopper, I suggest you do because I did and let me tell you it made a whole lot of sense. SUCCESS TO ALL!!

Dave,Alison don't even hesitate.

Its only when I read and re-read and re-read, and listened and listened again countless time plus did the course, that I shifted. I have done hundreds of courses. Personal development is my business. This has been without a doubt the top of list of all courses. The results have been seen at every level. Including the way I feel about myself. I used to struggle with depression. Alison, you could be desribing me a few years back.

For me the spiritual side is very important. I see depression as the feeling we get when our soul is imprisoned and seeks freedom. A meditation called quan yin healed me. But is not for every one. SOGR helped me to completely transfor the habits that i had left over from the years of feeling so down and helpless. I certainly have found my passion, confidence and zest for life again. I am also gentler and calmer.

I strongly recommend that you do the course. And as Rebecca says...don't do anything else until it is complete.There is no quick fix..no course or book that will overnight give you that miracle. The miracle is already under your nose. Throw yourself into it. Interact with everyone on the forum. People quickly point out when I am not thinking and acting in a certain way. I have seen the difference in the people in my life who don't participate on the forum and those who do. The first still feel helpless and that things will always be bad. The secound group are creating their lives as they want.

Dave and Alison..it can be done. Patience, peristance and participation.

I dont think that you should give up MaudMan. You have actually answerd your own question. It's doubt and Faith that seem to be you main issues. Re-read this in chapter 16 of SOGR.

"Guard your speech. Never speak of yourself, your affairs, or
of anything else in a discouraged or discouraging way. Never
admit the possibility of failure or speak in a way that infers failure
as a possibility.
Never speak of the times as being hard or of business conditions
as being doubtful. Times may be hard and business doubtful for
those who are on the competitive plane, but they can never be so for
you. You can create what you want, and you are above fear.
When others are having hard times and poor business, you
will find your greatest opportunities.
Train yourself to think of and to look upon the world as something
which is becoming, which is growing, and to regard seeming
evil as being only that which is undeveloped. Always speak
in terms of advancement. To do otherwise is to deny your faith,
and to deny your faith is to lose it.
“Guard your speech.
Never speak of yourself,
your affairs, or of
anything else in a
discouraged or
discouraging way. Never
admit the possibility of
failure or speak in a way
that infers failure as a
possibility.”"
Don't lose your faith MaudMan.

I just happened to stumble across EXACTLY the information I've been looking for. SOGR tells you what to do, but doesn't really go into much detail about HOW to do it. I'm sure that's part of what I would learn in the course (if I ever do it), but I needed some sort of validation now.

Some of you may already read Steve Pavlina's blog, but for those who don't, you might find it VERY interesting.

Here are two wonderful articles... One about why manifesting intentions can sometimes take so long, and the other about HOW Steve's actually creates his intentions.

Article 1 - Why so long?

Article 2 - How

Enjoy!

Hello Maudman,
Following this thread, which I can relate. I read Chap.9 "How to Use the Will" it says the following:
"To get rich,you need only to use your will power upon yourself. Here is what I feel that you can stress upon and that is , When you know what to think and do, then you must use your will to compel yourself to think and do the right things." Of course you might ask what should I think about? That is relative to what your intentions are. Think, take the action that correspond to your thinking and you will get the results positive or negatve, depending on what you think.
David