Rebecca
Thank you for the 7:15 post. it cleared up a lot of things that i didnt know how to articulate with my own words and feelings. I feel i will be able to understand the issues better..it all comes down to me and how i view my surroundings,the people in it and my prejudices..
Thanks

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure whether Bernard will be visiting this site anymore or not,whatever the case may be, I just want to say thank you for VENTTING not for the content of your posts on this thread as it is but for the responses from all the well meaning members of this forum.

I for one have gained a lot insight into those areas that seem to be unclear to me. I don't know why but this is the first time I will be reading a thread more than twice all through form begining to the end of the thread each time. I realy Love the contributions of everyone therein because it contain loads of teachings for me.

Thanks to evryone and God bless.

Goke.

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Originally posted by Phil:
Btw, I’m not saying I’m sure about all this, but the thought did occur to me.

I do often wonder about this, or if the "missing piece" can be different or affect people differently. We all know of examples, even in this forum, of people who didn't believe in this stuff, but decided to give it try because they had nothing to lose, and they found success.

There are also examples I know of people who don't have peace, and good feelings, but a strong belief, desire or determination, and they find success. The Crow creator James O'barr lost the love of his life and thought that he could make himself feel better by venting all his rage and frustration into this comic. According to him, it didn't work, and made him feel worse and more self destructive. The comic was still a huge success, spawning movies, a TV series, video games, toys etc.

Then there are people who find peace and bliss, but for whatever reason remain poor or even homeless. Somehow they are happy with that.

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Originally posted by Teruchan:
There are also examples I know of people who don't have peace, and good feelings, but a strong belief, desire or determination, and they find success. The Crow creator James O'barr lost the love of his life and thought that he could make himself feel better by venting all his rage and frustration into this comic. According to him, it didn't work, and made him feel worse and more self destructive. The comic was still a huge success, spawning movies, a TV series, video games, toys etc.

It seems to me, James O’Barr’s success is due to the Law Of Attraction. In other words, people resonated with the ‘vibe’ of his Crow story.

It’s interesting that he said it just made him more self destructive. And yet, he continues to work to develop it. Is the payoff he wants to just self destruct?

If so, where does his self destruct desire come from? Could it come from his world view paradigm?

Please see my other post for some on this.

World View

Phil

Wow this thread really engaged me, I just read it through twice and then also went over to re-read the text of LL14, which is the "yeah but" lesson(I know all about yeah buts.) Lots of very interesting sharing from a compassionate perspective for the most part.

Some thoughts that have come to me as I read:

One is I did not understand from the book that that there would not be setbacks or what would appear at first to be disasters, but that we should look for the unexpected (is silver lining a good word?) for those events that happen in our lives like job losses, disasters, and creditors not paying what they owe us. I don't think there is an immunization from that ever happening to us.

I have a couple of simple thoughts that are strictly borne out of my reading of the book this week.

So, you have customers who have an obligation to you, they have not paid you.

And, they are, in your perception, the more wealthy sorts of folks.

Right there that is some good news! If you are correct and these people are not desperate for cash, you have an great chance of getting some it paid to you!


Next, I would review with you what they owe you for, and make sure it was something they really needed and had value for them. I'm thinking about the difference between trading furs for a piece of fine art from another culture (not very useful) to a rifle (very useful) Values are relative. Is the price for your services appropriate? Just questions to ask.

(I have no idea what your business is.)

The other part is the added value thing. It seems to me that you still have an opportunity to add value and get some payments or maybe some partial payments. At the very least to show your compassion to your clients. Is there something you can offer for making at least a 10% payment by a certain date, with your gratitude to them for keeping their obligations?
when they even make a partial payment, give them a very small gift or at least a handwritten card of thanks for their business.

If they are not paying you because they have not perceived value (?) then maybe a heartfelt request for their feedback would give you amazingly great information to inspire your next actions. If your customers all say "I don't want to pay you because you installed my faucet upside down" you would know exactly what to address in order to fix the problem, and also to avoid the problem on into the future. Honest feedback about your business could be absolutely priceless.

I don't know if that is helpful, but those are a couple of things that are inspired straight from the book.

From the book: Give no anxious thought to possible disasters, obstacles, panics, or unfavorable combinations of
circumstances. There is time enough to meet such things when they present themselves before you in
the immediate present, and you will find that every difficulty carries with it the wherewithal for its
overcoming.

Sincerely,
Junoelle

Wow this was a post ride and a half, I love how Rebecca can read the book and pull out the answers so easily, Rebecca you really do know the book from cover to cover, and i am so grateful that you do, as it is helpful to all of US