This is the forth or fifth time I do the PG course and the nieme time I read SORG.
This morning working on LL14 all hell is braking loose.
In little over a month it will be four years since I signed up for the PG course and over four years a started to read SOGR.
First it worked it's magic, realizing that this book contain everything I thought I needed to succeed.
Today I am doing an evaluation and I like to share it here and I know I am going to be heavily criticized for "thinking that way" and that's ok I don't really care any longer.
Four years a go our life was good money was flowing steadily, we weren't what we can call rich but we did well. If we wanted something we just went and got it, within limit of course, taking a trip was no problem, going out for dinner was great we could afford it. Anyway life was good.
Today after four years of involvement with SOGR and the PG course our finances are a disaster. To the point that we re considering , oh the dreaded word, bankruptcy.
I followed all the details of SOGR and PG course, keeping the faith up and practicing gratitude in many different levels, and the more I ask the less I receive. O yes I can ask for the snow to stop and for good warm weather and so far I got that, or I can intercede for someone else and they are answered as for me forget it I feel like God or what ever you want to call it these days, does not exist in the way I think he/she/it is and I have no idea what it is anymore.
This is probably my last post here since I can't make it work for me then I am useless trying to share my thoughts and keep posting stuff that don't do any good.
So as far as I am concern this whole thing can only be proved to work if it works for me, the fact that very few can actually prove that it works even for them, yes I have read a lot of posts proving that fact that it doesn't really work. and the very few that say it does well I think more then half of them are pretending.
It seems that the only one that can make this SOGR work are people that have to ability to present some kind of program, course or technique and SELL it to the rest of us.
And I have heard it all do this, don't do this, go this , that way, to the point I am totally lost right and broke probably beyond repair FUBAR that is.
In the other hand I have become a better person all around yeah people love me and like be around me and they love what I have to offer to them as long I don't ask for money. I am indeed quite successful on helping others as long as money is not involved. And pursuing that route got me broke.
So now I think is time to look after me and close my ears is and heart to the need of others and that is very hard for me.
Te only way that SOGR can be proved to work is that it works for me and so far it causes me more trouble than I can think of. So it doesn't work. And what does it take to be financial free a severe case of self centered attitude and total selfishness toward the need of others "ME FIRST" and the hell with the world. That is my experience of wealthy people they don't care as long as they have for themselves. And yes eventually they become givers but first they took and took and took. Just look at the life of the rich and famous they took long enough to have enough and then some of them, very few are actually sharing what they took.
Unless things turn around drastically for us I am another causality of the LOA.
The only things that really worked for me is I am a better, broke, person than I was four years ago. And for that I am grateful.

Bernard, what is your purpose in making this post?

what if this really isn't he? Some hacker maybe?

Thanks for the credit yes it is me and the purpose of it is to show that what works for one doesn't always work for everyone. I know you don't cotton to much to what you evaluate as a "negative" post and it isn't, I am just sharing my personal observation and fact over the last four years.
I will re-iterate that on the personal level there is much improvement. That part work as far as the money is concern well I am way worse toady than four years ago and I have bank statement to prove it if necessary.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Yes, I understand the substance of your post, but what I'd like to know is your PURPOSE in posting it. What did you hope to accomplish by doing that?

(And you said you know I don't cotton to negative posts. Not exactly true. Sometimes it's necessary to express something that looks "negative" to get to something deeper.)

I actually have quite a few comments on this post and several others you've made recently because, together, they give a more complete picture. But first it would help to know what the payoff is for you in posting this. Thanks.

Ah the pay off I guess there has to be one right?
I have been thinking about this for a week now and the more I think about the worse I was getting so I had to get it out of my system and now I feel better.
I know it's not a solution for what is happening in my life right now.
The pay off I feel better and hopefully now that it's out I can think better and find a way out of this mess. And LOA isn't it for me.
Good of you to take the time

Bernard,

Head over to the off-topic section and check out my thread called 'Quotation'. I posted this partly with you in mind, this is one of the most powerful things I have ever read, and no matter how down I am, it never fails to 'kick me in the butt' and get me thinking right again.

Bryan

Bernard,

Thing is you don't get to choose - it does what it does. LoA is like gravity. You can say you don't believe in it, but if you jump off a building you will still be subject to it....

You can't prove it works for me.Proof. Get it? Please compare with real stuff gravity is scientifically proven not LOA. Gravity can be explain mathematical not LOA. Anyone stepping out will fall absolutely unequivocally yes gravity works for everyone. Not LOA
You don't need to practice gravity, Everything posted on LOA is practice of something or other.
Should I go on. There is more people on this forum that haven't seen financial reward than one that have"practicing" LOA. And that's a fact. Get it?

Brabed
Thank for your effort but you are not telling nothing I haven't heard yet. And off course another program that will whispering my ears the "secret" in exchange for money I don't have.
Thanks for trying

Bernard. I believe I addressed this same issue on the Its Not About The Money thread, towards the end. I listed my conclusions as to why LOA does not superficially seem to work for some people. I really think it has to do more with subconscious beliefs than conscious beliefs. And it may never appear to work for some people because we are not able to clear or cleanse or recondition our subconscious thought patterns. Until we have the faith, or the aha moment, I don't believe all the feel good stuff is really what is creating our future. I think we are just making our present more pleasant.

Look at all the techniques I have tried to clear and cleanse. I swear I am unhypnotisable. Subliminal suggestions don't work. Tapping has done nothing for most of my issues, except make me think about more issues, and occassionally temporarily gives some relief. Chanting, meditating, yoga, counselors...I have tried it all.

If I didn't have to work and care for children, I would just sit and sit and sit in zazen style meditation until I could actually touch my own soul and then I would know.

Thank you so much Annie, you are a breath of fresh air. And I totally agree with you, I am unhypnotisable, (is that a word )and none of the one you mentioned, beside meditation so far so good and I love doing it, brings me peace.
What I know for sure is that listening to ME works, you see that last time I got into trouble was when I was listening to well to do church people telling if I do this this way I will get this results it all proved itself wrong and only when I decided to listen to ME tings improved financially.
Same applies today, lately I realized that I was listening to people telling me what and how to do things and what to believe in and here I am. Men I am stupid at time.
So Annie thank you for your kind words, thank you for not quoting from another book or another prophet of LOA.
Take care

I addition. Re reading your post,

quote:

I really think it has to do more with subconscious beliefs than conscious beliefs. And it may never appear to work for some people because we are not able to clear or cleanse or recondition our subconscious thought patterns.

Lets take gravity for example, if we are both stepping out from any height we will fall guaranty, consciously or not, willingly or not it doesn't matter gravity is gravity. Now if I strap you into a harness with a belay tool and show you how you will then be able to defile gravity and land safely at the bottom and so would I. And that's a proof. LOA has no proof to work no matter what you and I will do.
I would love to talk with you Annie, I think we are alike

quote:

What I know for sure is that listening to ME works, you see that last time I got into trouble was when I was listening to well to do church people telling if I do this this way I will get this results it all proved itself wrong and only when I decided to listen to ME tings improved financially.

Bernard, I think you're onto something here. And I'm glad that you posted-you needed to VENT! So much better to vent here than to stuff your feelings. Feelings are important. Doing what YOU feel is right rather than trying to please other people is so important. For me, it wasn't until I learned not only to listen to ME, but to be okay if other people got mad at me for not listening to them. Listen to your own heart, the Universe talks to us through it. How are you doing with the mp3's I suggested to you?


Annievt said:

quote:

I really think it has to do more with subconscious beliefs than conscious beliefs.

RIGHT ON, oh YEAH!

quote:

There is more people on this forum that haven't seen financial reward than one that have"practicing" LOA. And that's a fact. Get it?

One time, when I was a member of a Unity Church, I said to the minister that it seemed so strange to me that there were so many members there learning about and talking about how to experience prosperity through changing their thinking and yet only a small percentage were actually experiencing it.

And she said to me, "Well, Rebecca, people don't come here because they've GOT it. They come here to GET it."

Makes perfect sense to me. And, of course, I have no idea what's actually going on in anyone else's head or heart or life. I only know what they say.

Hi Bernard

I am going to keep it short and simple.
I am very very sure that you are in the situation you are because you did not follow your thoughts with ACTION.
This where most fail
They fail because they fall into this fantasy land where you just wait for things to happen like magic...but you need action.
I can not stress this enough
SOGR is incredible
It works
Maybe read it again and dont discuss it anymore here or anywhere and give up all the courses.
Remember follow it word for word.
Then you see the magic.

Fields

Hello Julia
Good to hear from you, and I appreciate your comment thank you.
I listen to the MP3 you suggested and the truth is nothing doesn't seems to work for me no more than any other form of repetitive mantra. And I know it works for other people but not me. Listening to my own thoughts and what is going on within seems to be the process for me. And that's where it is extremely important to keep an open mind and allowing people to find their own way.
I can eat just about anything that taste good to me and have no reaction. One of my friend is reacting to citrus fruit in all form. No one is trying to tell her that she has some subconscious beliefs or any other crap like that and all is well. hen they come for diner we put away all citrus product and all is well. I think I am allergic to LOA.
Thanks again for your support and kind words.

OK, there's something I want to note here, Bernard, and you can accept it or reject it as you see fit. You say you've done the course four or five times. But it seems that you somehow missed that part right near the beginning where it's ESSENTIAL that we let go of our prejudices against rich people. To skip over that as if it were unimportant and move on to the rest of the course just doesn't make sense.

I've told the story here more than once about how, when I was first given the book, I was in a business where I worked with many, many people. I trained them (and more). And my success was built on theirs to a great extent.

Only problem was, that business wasn't going too well. It had started off with a bang and then had some pretty good ups, but after a while, it started to slump. And continued.

My partner and I just couldn't figure out what was wrong. We were doing everything we'd been taught -- we thought. We were "modeling" the successful people, DOING what we saw them doing. It was puzzling and frustrating.

The day the book arrived (back in 1998) and I devoured it in one sitting, I immediately saw something HUGE that I hadn't seen before. I saw that I was definitely creating my own circumstances. (I gave the book to my partner who immediately agreed with me.)

See, this big thing that was stopping us dead in our tracks was our attitudes. I'll only speak for myself here: I was looking at all these people I was training and seeing them as losers. And, frankly, most of them looked that way. They'd come in and SAY they wanted success, and on and on. But they wouldn't follow through. Wouldn't do the simple steps that would have made them money.

I was EXPECTING them to be that way. And so they were. When I read the book I saw that for the first time. I saw that if I wanted MY life to change, I had to stop holding those people in such contempt and I had to stop expecting failure.

So I did. I followed Wally's advice as well as I understood it and started to "look for the good in everything" and everyone. I stopped complaining about what other people were doing (or not doing) and stopped putting my focus on how I thought they SHOULD be acting.

And things began to change.

By the end of that first year, our business had skyrocketed.

Sure, we followed the rest of the teachings in the book as well as we understood them, but we both knew that the most important thing we did was change our attitudes about the people we were working with.

For me, personally, my attitude toward rich people had already changed. In my youth I was quite the activist for all sorts of causes. And I was certain back then that rich people, big corporations, powerful people (especially men, especially white men), governments, and so on were to blame for all the world's ills. I was AGAINST all of it.

But one day (in the early '80s) I realized I wanted to be in business for myself so I could do things the way I wanted to. But how could I do that? I was so into being downwardly mobile and "identifying" with every oppressed group and poor people, and I was definitely anti-business. I thought business was just one more way the "haves" took advantage of the "have-nots."

So how could I -- being so sure I was right about all I just described -- justify going into business? It would be like going over to the enemy. Plus, I was sure business was a huge destroyer of creativity and I wanted to be creative.

Maybe that was a sort of first step in the path of discovery that led me, years later, to SOGR and to the new revelation of how my thoughts were creating failure and frustration.

Because I did see then that I had to change my thinking if I wanted to get out of that downwardly mobile rut. So I did. And I learned then that business can be amazingly creative and that it can give you a wonderful platform for really being of service to others. In fact, I learned that real service is the lifeblood of a successful business, and that in exchange for that service, many people are happy to trade money. I got to choose then to offer my service to the ones who were appreciative and happy -- and to let the others go.

That's not "taking" as you put it. That's receiving. And as I say in one of the course sessions, there can be no giving without receiving -- and vice versa. It's a lovely, ongoing circuit of energy and we really do need to learn how to do both.

But back to my main point: After I read your initial post here, I went back and looked through many of your posts, and one thread that runs through is your expression of a profound contempt for rich people. And perhaps contempt is even too weak a word.

So because I know the power of holding that kind of clear mental image with so much focus, faith, and feeling, I just want to encourage you to do whatever you have to do to release that prejudice, that contempt, because it is hurting you.

I also know the power of letting it go and how that one simple but profound choice can transform your life.

Back then, I simply saw the harm I was inflicting on myself -- and I also, at the time, felt ashamed of myself for having considered myself so superior to the people I felt contemptuous of. (Now I also know it's essential to let go of that self-blame and just get on with things, too.)

So when I saw so clearly that I -- and only I -- was creating that whole frustrating experience, something just seemed to break loose right then and there and I gave up that attitude immediately.

I really think that happened because I had tried so hard to figure out what was going wrong and had gotten nowhere. When I read the book for the first time, I was at the point of giving up. And that was exactly where I needed to be, because when I DID give up, I released all that resistance. I became, in that moment, totally WILLING to let go of being "right" about those people and willing to CHOOSE to see them differently.

That was the turning point for me: When I saw that I was the creator of my frustration and failure and became willing to change the thoughts and their accompanying feelings that were the mechanism of that creation.

Since then, when other seeming obstacles have popped up, I've learned various ways to release the old programming. I learned EFT and "The Work" of Byron Katie and Lester Levinson's method of releasing. All have been beneficial to me. And NONE of them "worked" for me at first.

But one other thing I've learned in these past dozen years is that, if I look around and I see that some technique or system is working for other people, but it's not working for ME, I ask, well, what's the variable in the equation?

It's always me.

That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with me. It just means maybe I've misunderstood something, or I'm leaving out a step, or I'm rushing. So I always go back and, with that WILLING spirit and an attitude of "This time I'm open and receptive and I'm going to get it," I start again. And I get someone else to help me if I need it. In each of the three systems I mentioned above, I've sought out people skilled in those techniques so that they could look at what I was doing and help me see where I was getting off-track. (With some other methods, I've just gone back and started over on my own.)

Each time, I've found the stumbling block or the little missed cue, and have subsequently enjoyed fantastic results. But it could ONLY happen because I was willing to look for where I was missing something important.

I am so grateful for THAT lesson, too, because I've had enough of blaming other people or circumstances or God or ... whatever. There's absolutely no benefit to that as far as I can see. I have never met a truly happy, prosperous person who blames anyone or anything else for anything in his or her life, present or past.

So, Bernard, it is something of a surprise suddenly to notice that you hold me in such contempt. By most people's standards, I am one of those rich people you have so stridently damned and complained about. Of course, what you think of me is none of my business, and this sort of thing doesn't hurt my feelings. (It used to, but it's been years since I got free of that, and I am SO grateful.) But it is hurting YOU to hold these thoughts and feelings, because as long as you are so disdainful of rich people, you are working at cross purposes, shooting yourself in the foot, banging your head against the wall -- over and over and over.

So even if you choose to believe that Law of Attraction and SOGR are just a crock, I really do want to encourage you to let go of that attitude toward rich people. Even purely on the psychological level, to say you want to have money -- lots of money -- while holding the powerful belief that people who have money are evil, selfish, and out to get you is only going to bring you more chaos and struggle and misery.

At the beginning of the Practical Geniuses course I ask everyone to adopt the willing spirit, to be willing to dive deep and let go of ANY old belief or habit of thinking that isn't serving him or her. Without saying and MEANING, "I am willing," there is simply no point in doing the course at all. And without being willing to let go of our prejudices about money and people who have money, there is no point in doing the rest of the course either.

I don't know what you paid for the Practical Geniuses course (and I don't care), but I know for a fact that you were not gouged, since no one forced you to sign up (and in this case you even got to set the tuition). If you feel that you have been wronged, please use the Contact Form and ask Aletha for a refund, because if you have not received more in use value than I received in cash value, we need to square that up.

I Bless you.
I Love you.
I Appreciate you.
I'm Sorry for any way in which I may have ever seen you as less than you truly are. Please forgive me.
Thank you.

Rebecca

P.S. I just noticed this, so I want to suggest to you that you apply the line in your own forum signature to your feelings about rich people: Expect the best and the best will come forward.

quote:

One of my friend is reacting to citrus fruit in all form. No one is trying to tell her that she has some subconscious beliefs or any other crap like that and all is well. hen they come for diner we put away all citrus product and all is well.

Ah, but wouldn't it be nice not to have to avoid all that delicious fruit? I had a 36-year allergy that vanished instantly -- when I used a simple technique that released some old subconscious belief/memory. I'm still amazed by that -- and so grateful that I no longer have to avoid certain situations that would have, in the past, triggered that allergy.

The really weird thing was that the allergy vanished during my first session with a particular practitioner I'd gone to see just to get some coaching on a totally different issue. I'd never even thought of the allergy until I was there in the session and my sinuses suddenly felt like someone had poured concrete behind my face.

So this fellow said, well, let's get rid of whatever THAT's about.

And then ... we did.

Now I think I know why that inability to breathe freely became a 36-year issue and how it got "planted." But it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's gone. Subconscious memory deleted.

Do I think it can work for anyone? I honestly do, but I think some of us have to exercise that "I am willing" choice a bit more than others at first. I'd already tried teaching myself and going through quite a few sessions with someone else, but I just thought, well, I need to come at it from a different angle.

So I went on youtube and looked for examples. I saw this one fellow in quite a few videos and was very impressed. I also noticed that he sounded like all the people I grew up with, so I looked him up, and -- get this: His office is about 5 minutes from my mom's house and I was going to visit her the very next week!

That's how I ended up in his office and walked out completely free of that long-time ailment. And the issue I went to see him about initially dissolved, too. Took a little longer, but, boy, it was worth it!

(I even erased a habitual craving for -- dare I say it? -- Cheetos. Yes, I know. Total junk food. What can I say?)

Well, maybe I'm just exceptionally stubborn. (That's what my mother always used to say ...)

Hi Rebecca
It is soooo good to see you posting here and read every word ,and as always your honesty and intelligence always comes through your posts ,whatever the subject.
I missed you, I had been mourning you leaving ,well ,in fact ever since you left.
Once in a while I go and check out all your previous posts to keep my batteries charged.
I have not posted here that often and have not taken any courses and kind of shamfully taken a free ride on this website that you created and in essence this website is you, and any replacement simply does not cut it for me , so I generally stopped checking out this site ever since you left as it just felt so commercial.
I like yourself devoured SOGR when I started reading it..I was shaking whilst reading it with excitemnt.
SOGR took me some five years ago from the darkest place a man could be on the brink of suicide to a fulfilling life and it WORKS..IT so works as long as it is followed precisely.
It needs decipline to do it but when you have such strong belief in what you are reading and being told it just comes easy.
I am grateful to SOGR immensly
It works
amazing
I wish you would post more often

kindest of regards
FIELDS