Rebecca, I have enjoyed reading your thoughts on this thread.

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Originally posted by rave:
I liken it to weight loss. If you tell people to think and try to attract the body you want but stop short of having them exercise and eat right, you are doing them a dis-service. I know there are some people that think all you need is the thinking attraction part, I am not one of them. I think you need a heaping dose of action.
Rave

And it will likely take you a heaping dose of action to lose weight if you ever need to.

I love the story Gary Craig, founder of EFT tells, about how he wanted to lose 30lbs. He had successfully used affirmations to double his income several times and wanted to lose 30 lbs. He began saying hundreds of times a day, "I am 160 pounds and that's what I weigh." That's it. He did not CONSCIOUSLY change anything else. But he did NOTICE about half way through the experience that he no longer stopped and bought oreos and ice cream to eat every night. That was over 30 years ago and he has always maintained his weight within five pounds ever since. There were other small things he did. But he did not to my knowledge come up with some big plan and lots of exercise and change in diet. They were small things that occurred because he was affirming what he wanted.

You of course are welcome to hang on to whatever beliefs you believe, but there is value in examining them as Rebecca has pointed out.

There are lots of stories of people who did not take action against disease, except in their minds and their diseases gave way.

Welcome back to the forum. I haven't known you before.

Dawn,

Thanks for the welcome. I think you made my point, if he stopped buying oreos and ice cream he did take action, he cleaned up his diet, while it may not be consciously there was a change in action which led to weight loss. The reality is he cut lots of calories from his diet, which is a good thing.

With respect to disease, I am in agreement, there are stories of healing and the body is is miraculous thing.

I view the SOGR as a manual to do just that get rich not figuratively, but literally and I am pretty sure action is a key theme Wattles was trying to emphasize.

Rave

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.. proof that it works, or proof that it doesn't.

Yeddah:
proof that it DOES work, of course. There seems to be plenty of the other proof!!

Glad to read your story of success, and I really appreciate your saying I need to LIVE it, not follow it.

I'll practice that!

Thanks,
Megan

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I view the SOGR as a manual to do just that get rich not figuratively, but literally and I am pretty sure action is a key theme Wattles was trying to emphasize.

After 11 years I view it as a way of life that opens up the mind and a whole new world of possibility, not a manual to be rigidly followed as if it were the last word on anything. And I also find that living in the certain way can cause us to "get rich" in EVERY way, in every area of life.

You, of course, should do whatever feels right to you, makes you happy, and is bringing you the results you want.

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... when you learn how to get out of the way and ALLOW things to happen, aaaahhh...

Rebecca:

I read a post from you from several years ago and I think you were traveling through Mexico and you said ....'the less you do, the more things come to you' and I thought how great that was and how that was something I really wanted to experience myself.

And here you say it again....{..I personally have experienced that the less "work" I do, the more money comes to me.}...How did you gert to that point!?!

You write.."The Secret" is NOT an issue... But you brought it up! ...To tell us all how bad it is... our own negative judgements of anyone or anything else. That is competitive mind, pure and simple..... and I was just stating a fact that Tony Robbins had said he thought it was awful.....
so I started wondering, when I saw things like..."it's hot outside today", am I expressing a negative, or am I just stating a fact. Is it complaining, etc?? It's got me thinking about what beliefs I have that are limiting me and holding me back. Is living the 'certain way' really about finding the good in everything, and to not stop looking for it until it's found. Is it really about finding that place inside where love is the predominant feeling towards everything?
It occured to me that I may have subtle beliefs that have held me back from really living the 'certain way', like thinking stating a negative fact is really just complaining/feeling competitive, etc! Wow, lots to uncoveron this journey, I guess.

I am confused about your paragraph on an Ebook. I'm not writing an Ebook, but you wrote..{You have written an ebook and are marketing it.....}, what's the analogy here?
See?

{It's way more fun and enjoyable to ALLOW wellbeing than to dive into uninspired, merely "motivated" action.} Did you get to this point by practicing non-judgement?

Thanks,
Megan

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"it's hot outside today"

Hi Megan,

I live in Palm Springs, CA. It is a desert here. You know what? When you step outside and it's 120 degrees, IT'S HOT! That's a fact. There is no way around the fact that you can fry an egg on the concrete. I don't complain about it. I choose to live here and I enjoy it very much.

You can state a fact and not create a story around that. That's what complaining is, a story.

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Is living the 'certain way' really about finding the good in everything, and to not stop looking for it until it's found. Is it really about finding that place inside where love is the predominant feeling towards everything?

For me there is only one answer to your question. A very big YES! That is a fact!

Appreciation from the Heart,

Richard De Haven

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You can state a fact and not create a story around that. That's what complaining is, a story.

Hey Richard:

I got it now...just the facts. ma'am' as Sgt Friday use to say....no story around it, that's when it becomes complaining. When I 'feel' the need to tell a story, I'm in competitive mind & complaining/bringing more of what I don't want to me!!

Thanks,
Megan

Megan, your last post is a bit confusing. It looks like you think I was replying to you -- from those bits you copied out of my post -- but I was replying to Rave. That's why there's a quote from Rave's last post at the top of mine.

If you'll use the quoting function here when you copy out other people's stuff, it'll make it MUCH easier to tell what's being quoted and what text is your new comments.

Just use the "..." button when you're replying. It'll put in {QUOTE} {/QUOTE]} -- only it'll put in SQUARE brackets instead of curly ones. (If I put in the square ones in this example, you wouldn't see them at all. It would put in the two blue lines with the quoted stuff in between.)

Always make sure you have the / in the second one because that's the code that ENDS the quotation.

Now, as for complaining. Well, when you say, "It's hot outside," how are you feeling? Neutral? Ornery? Disappointed? That'll tell you right away.

The words you use simply don't matter. It's the FEELING -- and you can say the vibration if you like. Same thing, really. It's the THOUGHT that's causing the feeling.

All complaining means is giving your focus, faith, and feeling to something you do NOT want.

Just pay attention to what's really going on in your thinking.

So you could be describing a situation which on the surface would seem like complaining but it all depends on how they actually feel inside.

I have wondered about things like this for example Lou Holts the football coach use to always go into interviews and act like his poor football team he just doesnt know if they are good enough to win and the other team is so talented and he just doesnt know how his team can win. I would bet that Lou Holts didnt believe that for a minute and I bet he felt his chances were good and he was excited to to play that game.

Hmmm makes me think.

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Anyone who has reached their financial dreams thru SOGR, I'd really like to hear from you.

Thanks,
Megan

Megan,

Financial dreams will be different for everybody but in my case I have reached my financial goals (I have a new one now) I also live in the house I dreamed about working in my own business doing something I love and taking 4 vacations per year all due to the law of attraction.

The law of attraction works and it is working for you right now because if you analysis your predominant thoughts over the last months or years you will find that this is exactly what you have in your life right now.

I struggled for years to with this and did not find success until I got a cmi of what I really wanted and looked for at least 5 things to be grateful for each day.

Wishing you success.

Noel

Noel;

Thanks for your reply.

I've been contemplating Rebecca's reply to me where she talks about condemnation/judgement being just competative mind and especially abou ALLOWING well being instead of jumping into action.

I read today areat article in Science of Mind magazine an article from a career coach talking about how he left a prosperous legal career that didn't fulfill him and took 'demeaning' jobs for money to eat. He said he didn't have a clue about what he wanted to do, he just knew it wasn't what he was doing. So he gave himself permission to just do the things that brought him joy, no matter what it was, and all of it seemed to be things that could never bring him money to live on.

He started journaling which inspired him to start writing poetry, which led him to write about finding the joy in his life, which led him to career counseling which now has him traveling the country, getting paid to play while helping others.

It occurred to me that the most joy I have ever experienced in my 'career' life was when I was volunteering to work with an at-risk boys group connected to a non-profit I worked for.

So now I'm going to find an at-risk group I can volunteer with and prctice trusting it will lead me to that place of joy I dream about where I'm getting paid millions to play, live in the gorgeous condo I dream of, wear the most beautiful clothes, have a life filled with friendships where I give and receive all the best....I have no idea the specifics of what this life looks like yet and I have absolutely no idea how it will happen, I only know how it 'feels' to have it.

All I can do now is feel the feelings of having it now and trust.

Megan

I have just joined the forum today and the reason is that when me and my wife decided to study the science of getting rich within two weeks we made around $7,000 dollars so I know it works

but what I found was that it is difficult to keep that certain way so we stopped acting and behaving a certain way but the other day we said hey we need more money we need to be scientific again within 24 hours another $848.00 came in so once again I know that it works so the question is not if it works it's more being cognizant of staying a certain way

Welcome Bothitharta!

You will definitely get support for staying in the certain way mode here. May you have many more successes. Looking forward to getting to know you as well.

cheers
Pauline

Megan,

I really liked the stories in your post, however, it seems to me the person in the story was quite involved in action if they were journaling and writing poetry. You now are going to find a group to volunteer with. So action is very much a part of transitioning for you even if you do not know the ultimate outcome and path you will be on. I think these are wonderful things to be doing, just wanted to point out that in my mind they are in fact very active, which I think is a great thing.

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I read today areat article in Science of Mind magazine an article from a career coach talking about how he left a prosperous legal career that didn't fulfill him and took 'demeaning' jobs for money to eat. He said he didn't have a clue about what he wanted to do, he just knew it wasn't what he was doing. So he gave himself permission to just do the things that brought him joy, no matter what it was, and all of it seemed to be things that could never bring him money to live on.

He started journaling which inspired him to start writing poetry, which led him to write about finding the joy in his life, which led him to career counseling which now has him traveling the country, getting paid to play while helping others.

I love this.

See what he did? He just gave his focus, faith, and feeling to what felt good to him, to living in a way that felt fulfilling to him.

He didn't WORRY about money. In other words, he did NOT give his focus, faith, and feeling to the LACK of money. He trusted -- God, the Universe. (I don't know how he would have put it; doesn't matter really. The FEELING is the same: peace.)

Do you know that when I started the SOGR Network website, it was out of sheer laziness?

Well, sort of. I just got tired of emailing the PDF of the ebook to everyone who wanted one. So I decided it would be fun to try to build a website myself. It WAS fun!

I had no idea of creating a business; I already had a successful business. I just wanted to share the book that had changed my life.

And then readers started asking for things and that's how, ultimately, the audiobook, the original teleseminar, and the Science of Getting Rich for Practical Geniuses Online Course evolved. This forum, too.

The fact that a simple homemade site just to share something I cared about could turn into a thriving, extremely profitable business was a total surprise. (And a really fun one, too!)

Any action I ever took just grew out of the FUN. There was never any struggle, never any, "Oh, I have to do this particular stuff in order to get something to happen." It was really the other way around.

Now I have a new idea for sharing something that I love and that has contributed so much to my life since before I could even read. I'll say more about that later, but right now I'm so excited about it I can hardly stand it.

And who knows where THAT will lead? To amazing, good things -- that much I know.

Let your "action" be all for the sheer joy of it. That is what I firmly believe our pal Wally means when he says that it is "by action you receive." Your thought creates -- something wonderful if that's where you focus -- and then you PLAY with it all out here in the physical world, and "magic" happens.

Remember: You don't HAVE to do anything. You GET to.

I have read the post and this is my very first post. I am also very new to the SOGR and have just begun this journey. However I have read a lot of different things on this matter and what has been written is consistent with a lot of other successful thinking. there are some very key points inside of these concepts. I think that all of the principles are important and truly believing with the intent of your success is for all is significant. so I haven't been in this long enough to know of those who have gotten rich. However I know of people who are wealthy and are living much of what is being taught here. I would like to here further thoughts on this.

Megan:

Cultivate gratitude !!!
Maybe, that's why this process has not worked for you.
''in times of doubt and indecision cultivate gratitude''

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''in times of doubt and indecision cultivate gratitude''

benschgritz:

Thanks for your post. I am grateful/appreciate what I do have, but can't get past the fear/doubt.
I wake up every morning with those feelings and the more I try to erase them, the stronger they seem to get. I spend time thinking about all I have to be grateful for, but up till now, nothing has worked to keep me out of the fear/doubt for too long.

What do you do when you're consumed by those feelings you do not want to have?

Thanks,
Megan

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I am grateful/appreciate what I do have, but can't get past the fear/doubt.
I wake up every morning with those feelings and the more I try to erase them, the stronger they seem to get. I spend time thinking about all I have to be grateful for, but up till now, nothing has worked to keep me out of the fear/doubt for too long.
Megan

Megan,

Gratitude is a habit. It is natural for feelings of fear and doubt to sneak in from time to time -- maybe a lot in the beginning. Forgive yourself for that. It's okay. Simply, notice, accept that you had those thoughts, and go back to being grateful. Develop the habit of responding to negative feelings by listing the things you are grateful for. Don't add to your stress by stressing about being stressed!

As was discussed in other posts, taking action can help you to feel better and to recognize your own power. You could try some form of exercise, doing something that relates to your CMI, or really ANYTHING that distracts you from those negative thought cycles and makes you feel better.

Feeling good is the key. Being worried or imagining all the bad things that seem like they're about to happen doesn't prevent them from happening at all. What does work? Being happy. Really. Crazy, but true.

Here's an idea: I remember once reading that negative thoughts are circular and keep repeating themselves over and over. One way to break the cycle is to write them down. Once you see the words on the page, the thoughts get weaker. Then you can go back to whatever helps you feel hope, faith and gratitude.

I hope this helps. If not, go back and read some past posts on this subject. You're sure to find something you can connect with.

Love and blessings,
Rachel