I've followed the 'certain way' for awhile now and it seems the process has failed completely.

The book says its for people that have a pressing need to get rich....get rich first....philosophizes later.

Has anyone gotten rich....I've spent a lot of time reading posts and the majority of people, while things have improved financially, have not gotten rich after 1 year or more living the certain way.....seems like the process does fail because it's not enbough.

I've taken the advice of many who have given it to me thru this forum, and I really appreciate all of the advice.

But nothing works, I still battle negative feelings on a daily basis.

While reading some articles by Tony Robbins on why he thinks The Secret was only a great marketing campaign, it occurred to me that until you come to believe that the Universe/Substance/God (whatever you call it) really is friendly to your plans and will guide/support you on your way to your dreams....nothing can and will work.

Anyone who has reached their financial dreams thru SOGR, I'd really like to hear from you.

Thanks,
Megan

Do a serach you will find people.

You say a clue as to why it hasnt worked for you and you said you battle negative feelings on a daily basis. When you can change your feelings you can change your circumstance.

I know this because I have similiar issues. I realize the only thing holding me back is me and I am working on it and I see results. The more I can feel the way I want to feel the quicker things will come to me.

I just last weeked opened another office 3 hours away from my home. I found someone to work it on commission only and she found an office space rent free so all we have to pay for is phone and internet.

Find wasy to feel good where you are anything to make yourself feel better keep it up and you will see change.

Hi Megan,

How rich is rich? The term Rich is so ambiguous. Is it 500,000 or a million, or 5 or 10 million.

I am not a millionaire but I have come a long way from where I was at to now. My business is growing, my non profit is growing, my income is always growing and I am meeting many very successful rich people. More now than ever before.

My life feels great. I am taking inspired action and I know without a doubt that one day, if I keep doing what I am doing now, my income will soar to heights I can't even imagine.

If it takes me 10 years or 15 years from where I started to be defined as rich then I will have proven the process works. Wallace never did say how long it will take. I started reading and being committed to the process in 2006.

When I started I had a closed bank account, lost my house, etc. Fast forward, I have raised a few hundred thousands of dollars for my projects. Especially in the last three years all with minimal effort.

Ive also had the fortunate experience of employing people for these projects and making a difference in the lives of thousands of children.

If nothing works for you, you can't blame the process. Many do Tony Robbins programs but nothing ever changes, there are many who do and everything changes.

One thing I've learned is that the beliefs you hold to be true is the world you will see and experience.

By the way, I believe Rebecca is a millionaire because of SOGR. Someone on the forum did ask her the question once and she answered it.

I also believe that Croz is a millionaire also.

Appreciation from the Heart,

Richard De Haven

Hmmm.....

Everyone's defination of rich is different. I think that I am rich, but I'm sure that others may disagree.

I drive nice cars, live in a nice house, have great adult kids, take nice vacations and always have enough food to eat. I am more the person that I want to be than before SOGR, do more of the things that I want to do before SOGR and have more of the things that I want to have before SOGR.

I was a millionaire for a while; then I spent a lot of money on some trips with my family so now am under that mark. No big deal, it will come back, I'll take more great trips with my family!

But as the man with the rug and the stove I also realize that I haven't asked largely enough! There are things in my CMI that I know that are coming to me; and I am grateful that they are on the way!

SOGR is an exact science; but it also is a journey; be grateful for the journey!

Hi Megan,

What are you looking for?
The proof that it works, or the proof that it doesn't.

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I've followed the 'certain way' for awhile now and it seems the process has failed completely.

I think you say something very important here.
If you follow, as you say, you can't be IT.
You won't make it by following, but by being and living it.]

I started with SOGR in 2005 and I was broke that time. Now I'm rich. I am richer than anybody can be on this earth.
You want figures as a proof?
I always achieve at least one euro more than I need and I am happy and healthy!
That's wat I wish.
I don't need the millions, because I would'nt know what to do with it.
The one with one million on his bankaccount isn't happier that the one with 900.000,-
I have enough, I live my life in freedom now, I pay my bills, I'm grateful and I never work...... still I achieve € 30.000,- a month without any effort........so I'm one of the ones you are looking for, because I am rich and I feel I am rich.
I hope this will help you to LIVE the certain way and take the actions you need to take, to get rich too.

Yeddah

Whatever you believe, Megan, is what you will experience on your journey.

God bless you,

Caroline
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Hi Megan,

I agree with Capt Jack - the main thing is to work on feeling good.

For myself I often have to take a look at how far I have come. My identity changes more slowly than my circumstances. Plus sometimes the path to where you want to be is not the one you envisage. I definitely want a lot more money and was clear about that when I first came to SOGR in about 2002. Around that time I got a redundancy payment, bought some property (for the first time late in life), built up my practice and got a whole range of other work. My net worth increased dramatically as well as my knowledge. Since I came back to SOGR in late 2008 I have been through hell - and narrowly avoided bankruptcy. However, I could see this as the shakeup I had to have to get my finances growing properly -otherwise I was trying to do it on an unstable foundation.

When I compare my situation now to this time last year it is 1000% better. I understand your frustration - and we have probably all felt that many times. My only advice is to keep on keeping on. The results will definitely come.

cheers
Pauline

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but nothing works, I still battle negative feelings on a daily basis.

While reading some articles by Tony Robbins on why he thinks The Secret was only a great marketing campaign, it occurred to me that until you come to believe that the Universe/Substance/God (whatever you call it) really is friendly to your plans and will guide/support you on your way to your dreams....nothing can and will work.

Well, see, you've solved it yourself. If you are "battling" anything -- including negative feelings -- and if you do NOT believe the Universe is friendly to your plans, then quite frankly you aren't and haven't been following the certain way at all.

Now, I see that you joined here about six months ago, and while I have no idea how old you are, I'm betting that you were a bit older than six months when you signed up. So consider that you had built up quite a lot of momentum in the OTHER direction and have probably quite a few years of practice in NOT thinking in the certain way. All that means is that it would be entirely reasonable to lighten up on yourself.

How long did it take you to learn to walk? To play a musical instrument? To get really GOOD at anything?

And, yes, there are LOADS of stories in here from people who have had amazing successes -- financial and otherwise -- from following the principles in the book. You can be one of them.

Hi Megan,

Glad to read your post as well as the opportunity you have to be on this site.I wouldnt say anything different from all the advice given by other members before me because they have said the same thing which is the simple truth.
I first read the SOGR in 2002 and registered for the practical geniuses in 2008.In total I have been better of than who I was before then.I have achieved things which poeple around me could see as an impvoment in my life.I have always been lucky!Though I am still in the process of metamophosis-still growing.
One thing I have noticed over the time is that I am either a friend or an enemy to my plans.So,there is need for you to know what you want and to be consistent in pursuit of your gaols.Work on yourself first.If you have not registered for the PG,I reckon you do so-it will help you a lot.Also remeber there is always a waiting period in everything.
Many blessings.

Don't judge each day by the harvest you
reap but by the seeds that you plant.

Robert
Louis Stevenson

I personally believe the Secret was the worst thing to happen to The SOGR. I have written about it a few times. The Secret marketers got a hold of the manifesting and attracting parts and sold it to the masses because attracting and manifesting is marketable but in my opinion the most important part about action are not. I connected to the acting in a certain way and action parts. It inspired me to design a method to take action which I have published. While I have not achieved all of my financial goals, my finances and life are greatly improved since the day I found The SOGR on a Unity Church website and read it hundreds of times. I truly believe even though I have written an ebbok, that with the SOGR you have all you need. Good Luck

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The Secret marketers got a hold of the manifesting and attracting parts and sold it to the masses because attracting and manifesting is marketable

Is that true? Can you be absolutely certain that it's true? How do you know what their motivation and intention were?

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I personally believe the Secret was the worst thing to happen to The SOGR. I have written about it a few times.

Well, what do you believe you can gain by choosing to focus on something you dislike or think is "the worst thing to happen?"

To me, that film was just an intro that served to bring Law of Attraction to the attention of a vast audience that had not known anything about it. It also appears to me to be brilliant marketing. I can appreciate both of those aspects and if I care about what manifests in MY experience, then I can choose to give focus, faith, and feeling to those aspects I appreciate and totally ignore and let go of anything I dislike.

(I CAN do this with anything; I'm not saying I always do! And when I do, sometimes it takes a while before I notice that I'm focusing on what I do NOT want more of. I'm certainly better and more practiced at noticing and consciously shifting now than I used to be, but at times it seems I still need a metaphorical piano dropped on my head before I notice!)

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(I CAN do this with anything; I'm not saying I always do! Big Grin And when I do, sometimes it takes a while before I notice that I'm focusing on what I do NOT want more of. I'm certainly better and more practiced at noticing and consciously shifting now than I used to be, but at times it seems I still need a metaphorical piano dropped on my head before I notice!)

Thank you Rebecca. It is good to know that everyone can have their moments of thinking the wrong thoughts.

As it happens, I am having a less than positive episode with too many yelling people and too little sleep. This too shall pass. I am not worried or upset just plain tired. And am using the Secret DVD. Just borrowing the love and positive energy from these people so I can feel better right here and now.

And the fleeting thoughts as I read the previous post. Were fleeting. I noticed them and paid no never mind, just got on with enjoying my day

God bless you,

Caroline
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Originally posted by Rebecca:

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The Secret marketers got a hold of the manifesting and attracting parts and sold it to the masses because attracting and manifesting is marketable

Is that true? Can you be absolutely certain that it's true? How do you know what their motivation and intention were?

You are right I do not know, but I am assuming that since they have most notably reduced the emphasis on action and packaged and sold via books, DVDs and seminars the concept of attraction and manifesting that is the case.

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I personally believe the Secret was the worst thing to happen to The SOGR. I have written about it a few times.

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Well, what do you believe you can gain by choosing to focus on something you dislike or think is "the worst thing to happen?"

I don't focus on it. I focus on the SOGR and my method of implementing the action part to make things happen in my life. I do not disregard the other part of the message, I just feel the Secret is very disingenuous and incomplete. I liken it to weight loss. If you tell people to think and try to attract the body you want but stop short of having them exercise and eat right, you are doing them a dis-service. I know there are some people that think all you need is the thinking attraction part, I am not one of them. I think you need a heaping dose of action.

I have spoken to several people on the topic and the most frustrated ones are the ones not taking action. As I say action does not work every time, but inaction has a 100% track record (of not working)

Sorry to have hit such a nerve on my first post in a few years. It is just that I love the SOGR and feel that if people used it as their sole resource as Wattles discusses they would be better off.

Rave

Rave, you haven't "hit a nerve" at all. If you read through these forums you'll find me constantly asking people to NOTICE their assumptions.

We see something, we make up a judgement about it and the people involved, and then we tell ourselves and others our story. That IS focusing on it. And when it's a story about how something or someone is wrong or bad or in anyway something we don't want more of, then we are strongly attracting more of that same sort of thing to ourselves. That's SOGR and Law of Attraction in a nutshell: You get more of what you give your attention to. Writing about it IS focusing on it. Talking about it IS focusing on it.

I think Wally's book is an excellent intro for many people but not for all. While the principles are universal, the presentation is not a one-size-fits-all. We all learn differently and respond to different types of approaches. So I'm grateful and appreciative that there are now a variety of teachers. Sure, some I like better than others and some I find don't really seem to get it (by my lights), but so what? It's still better to have the variety to choose from.

Plus, we've learned a LOT about how our minds work in the past 100 years and now those new insights can be incorporated. I think Wally would love that, especially since he talked so much about expansion and evolution.

As for action, well, not just any kind of action is worthwhile. If it's not inspired, if there's no joy in it, if one believes that action is what's doing the creating, if he or she isn't first aligned with the desire and resonating strongly with faith and delight in it, then action doesn't produce the desired effects -- and that can be totally frustrating.

I also strongly believe that action is not actually "necessary." (And again, about your statement that inaction has a 100% track record of not working, I'd ask: Is it true?)

For your example of weight loss, I know people who have dropped weight simply by changing their attitudes -- mostly by beginning to love themselves as they are. They didn't go on diets or take up exercise programs. It wasn't action that attracted a new state of wellbeing for them; it was their thinking.

(And sometimes when that begins to happen, when the wellbeing begins to flow, THEN a person will feel inspired to the action of increased physical activity or the like. Perfect!)

And my dear friend Alexandra (Dr. Alexandra Gayek of The Science of Being Well NETwork) told me just the other day a story that delights and amazes me.

One of her patients told her about her elderly father who had been chronically and seriously ill for quite some time. And then he became forgetful and was eventually diagnosed with Alzheimers.

But here's the really cool part: One effect of the Alzheimers was that he FORGOT he was seriously ill with the other condition. And so it went away. Entirely. No symptoms or discomforts.

He was no longer giving it attention and it dissolved. No action required at all.

It's just fascinating to me that when he forgot to give attention to something, it went away.

We don't have to "make" anything happen. We just have to allow it. To me, what that film -- which isn't any kind of in-depth treatise on Law of Attraction but simply an overview -- what it left out is that it's not just about getting a clear mental image of wealth, but about letting go of all the ideas, beliefs, grudges, all the stuff we are AGAINST so that we can stop attracting all the stuff of THAT essence.

And then, wellbeing of every kind -- which is our natural state -- flows to and through us. We all could use a good dose of THAT kind of "Alzheimers," where we forget about all the stuff we used to complain about, disapprove of, and so on. When we let go of all our made-up stories and opinions that don't please us, then appreciation and gratitude are what's left behind.

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And then, wellbeing of every kind -- which is our natural state -- flows to and through us. We all could use a good dose of THAT kind of "Alzheimers," where we forget about all the stuff we used to complain about, disapprove of, and so on. When we let go of all our made-up stories and opinions that don't please us, then appreciation and gratitude are what's left behind.

Well, Rave, thanks to Rebecca's many advice and suggestions like the one above, I have let go of THAT opinion(which you expressed) of The Secret, and it feels a whole lot better!

Kevin,

Glad you feel better. I guess I am having a difficult time understanding why the Secret is even an issue. I am wondering what the Secret offers that is not in SOGR. For me focus is action. In my mind, things happen due to action. Weight can be lost through attitude with action changing your mind set from hating to loving yourself will not change a persons weight without action. This is a fact there must be a doing to make something happen. People may disagree but this is what I believe and what is in my mind a central point of SOGR.

Thanks

Rave

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Originally posted by rave:
I liken it to weight loss. If you tell people to think and try to attract the body you want but stop short of having them exercise and eat right, you are doing them a dis-service. I know there are some people that think all you need is the thinking attraction part, I am not one of them. I think you need a heaping dose of action.

Hmmmm... Like Rebecca, I would have to disagree with you here. I am removing excess weight from my body. (and being very careful how I talk about it! ) What I have noticed since I have been studying SOGR is that the number on the scale will go down with little effort on my part as long as I keep the REAL (goal) number in mind and imagine seeing it on the scale. If I don't keep that in mind, the number tends to go higher. I have always weighed myself daily, even when I was thin and thought I was fat (hmmm... guess what THAT got me!) so I continue to weigh daily. Only now, I am picturing myself thin! Perhaps one day, as I get used to keeping the REAL number in my mind, I will get away from the daily ritual of stepping on the scale.

So, am I "dieting?" Sort of. I have my preferred WOE (way of eating), but I still indulge in a treat every now and then and at this point, I am doing no exercise. What I notice mostly is that many times, I just don't eat for one reason or another. Maybe I'm not hungry or I'm just too busy to bother with food. Whatever I do, as long as I keep my CMI for my weight in my mind, the number on the scale continues to move toward that REAL number. Oh, and I am having to buy smaller size clothes!

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This is a fact there must be a doing to make something happen.

Sure -- if you feel that you need to MAKE something happen, then you'll have to do something.

But when you learn how to get out of the way and ALLOW things to happen, aaaahhh!

Anyway, you are, of course, free to believe as you choose. But realize that what you are calling fact is just your OPINION, a story you made up -- just like you assume you know the motivations behind the people who created that dvd. And notice, too, that there are people experiencing change WITHOUT any particular concerted action, which demonstrates that it's not the action that creates. And Wally never says that. He says your thought creates.

The purpose of action is, to my mind, the sheer joy of it. Or the exhilaration. Or the satisfaction of doing something and doing it well. There would be no point in having a physical body at all if we never engaged in action. Action feels good! Unless we turn it into struggle and competitive mind and stress.

When we take action, we feel more powerful and in control (as my wonderful friend Alexandra -- Dr. Alexandra Gayek of The Science of Being Well NETwork) reminded me just the other day. So taking action can help us to feel better and bring our thoughts into a more positive direction.

When you assert that people simply CANNOT release excess weight simply by changing their minds and that they MUST take some sort of specific action, you are insisting AGAINST actual evidence from those who have experienced that kind of weight loss.

And I personally have experienced that the less "work" I do, the more money comes to me.

Now, "The Secret" is NOT an issue -- at least not around here. But you brought it up! To tell us all how bad it is. What IS an issue is when we choose to carry around -- and broadcast -- our own negative judgements of anyone or anything else. That is competitive mind, pure and simple. That is the opposite of Wally's advice to look for the good in everything (so that the good in everything can come to you).

You have written an ebook and are marketing it, trying to sell it. So consider this: As long as you are finding fault or condemning anyone else for their successful marketing, then you are pushing marketing success AWAY from you. I's just like when people believe that money is evil or non-spiritual or whatever; there's no way that attitude can bring them money.

See?

I'll tell you what else: It's way more fun and enjoyable to ALLOW wellbeing than to dive into uninspired, merely "motivated" action.

I am so happy, appreciative, and grateful to have learned this. What a relief!

*****

BTW, on the subject of action (apologies for the "thread drift," but that's how conversations go!), check out this thread in the "It's All Relative" forum. Good stuff there. And be SURE to watch/listen to the video in the initial post. It's great!
Action

This is the quote I connect with, action is not a maybe to me.

From the SOGR

THOUGHT is the creative power, or the impelling force which causes the creative power to act; thinking in a Certain Way will bring riches to you, but you must not rely upon thought alone, paying no attention to personal action. That is the rock upon which many otherwise scientific metaphysical thinkers meet shipwreck--the failure to connect thought with personal action. and

Formless Substance without nature's processes or the work of human hands; man must not only think, but his personal action must supplement his thought.

The purpose of action to you may be different, but I think it is pretty clear that WW implores people to take action to make their thought come true

So I guess I interpreted the book differently. My point is the Secret is not the SOGR anymore than Alice in Wonderland is the SOGR, they are two different books and I personally connect with the SOGR. If people have had success with the Secret great. I have personally referred dissatisfied people who had no success with the Secret to SOGR and seen firsthand the improvements in their lives. I am in no way competing with the Secret, nor do I believe if I express my thoughts about it I am pushing success away. Each product will find its place in the marketplace, as WW said opportunity is not monopolized we all can make sales.

Thanks for providing the forum to discuss these issues.

Rave