What happened there?!
To continue, can you be certain at the same time that you want and don't want something? I am not pushing the boundaries of non-detachment here.
Need here is non existent. If I want something, and KNOW with certainty that I'm getting it, can I in the same time KNOW with certainty that I don't want it, even though I know I'm getting it?
This at the moment is very confusing for me, even after pondering for a long while over it, still isn't any clearer. How do I distance this two conflicting sides of certainty?

Reply to Tanâ™s April 7th post.

I think what youâ™re asking has to do with ASPECTS of things and CONFLICTING BELIEFS about things. For example, you can WANT an abundance of money, but at the same time NOT WANT to struggle to get it. And these two ASPECTS of your desire cause CONFLICT. So, in this example, you could eliminate this conflict by coming to believe something like, âI create an abundance of money, easily, peacefully and joyfully.â

Of course, there may be other ASPECTS that are causing conflicts. Using this same money example, you might also think, âPursuing money wholeheartedly makes me a superficial, greedy person.â If so, then you have another conflict to resolve. You might then want to come to believe something like, âI know that money abundance does not make me any better or worse of a person. I know that any amount of money a person has or doesnâ™t have affects each person differently, depending on how they use it, how they think about it and what they believe about it. I Know I can easily handle an abundance of money wisely, for my good and for the good of all concerned.â

I once knew an person who had a conflicting want and how she overcame it. You may recall what it was like to be in high school, and how you wanted to have friends. Well, there was this very bright girl I knew, and she wanted to excel with her studies, but it was still considered âuncoolâ™ to be brainy, and if you wanted to have friends you had to maintain some kind of âcool.â™

Well, the way she overcame these kinds of conflicts is, she went ahead and got excellent grades and excelled at just about everything she did, but at the same time she would go around and often act goofy and do funny things, so people perceived her as kind of a goof off and funny person and they liked being with and around her. She never brought up the subject of how well she was doing academically, but if she was asked sheâ™d just say something like, âI donâ™t know. I donâ™t let it bother me,â as if she were the victim of some sort of incurable disease. Funny huh? But, I think the reason she had lots of friends is because she never held her academic achievements up as some sign of her superiority.

When we have unresolved conflicts about WANTS it can be like driving around with one foot on the gas and another pressing the brake pedal. So, if youâ™re doing this to yourself you can imagine what kind of damage you may be doing to yourself. (Maybe thatâ™s a part of whatâ™s behind the experience of âburn outâ™?)

When you find and reconcile CONFLICTS regarding your desires, you may experience a sort of âahaâ™ or a noticeable greater inner sense of freedom. This is because you have now freed up some of your energy that was being held in check, due to your unresolved conflicting beliefs. As Iâ™ve said elsewhere, youâ™ve sort of got more of your âducks in a rowâ™ and now you can more comfortably and easily attain what you want.

Phil

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Originally posted by CentraL AxiS:
I remember when I once had this certain kind or certainty in my life. I went into a nightclub and bought one raffle ticket on my way in but I remember that this sudden feeling I had that I was going to win it and I said to my friend am going to win this and then I didnâ™t really think anything else about it but only a few times and when I did think about it I just had the same certain feeling. I actually forgot about it and then a few days later the things I had won where dropped around to my house.

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Well, CentraL AxiS, Phil, et al, I see this situation you mention as different from the Certainty Mr. Wattles talks about--the Certainty of intention.

The way I see it (and, this is just my point of view) is that you had a premonition that you were going to win.

To clarify (for myself... I might be misunderstanding you), did you get the feeling that you were going to win BEFORE you had the intention of winning?

Or, did you say to yourself, "I'm going to win this raffle prize" and then set out to impress your desires upon Formless Substance?

Please be sure that I'm NOT trying to stir up any controversy. I would like to understand these two, apparently, different workings of the universe.

I believe they BOTH have to do with Certainty... you KNEW you were going to win. And, in the end, I don't think it matters much how you attained your results.

But we don't have to wait until we get a premonition that something is coming to us. We can impress our desires upon Formless Substance and have the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that we will receive their material equivalent.

Hi Cesar,

It's funny you should bring this subject up. I have been trying for the last little while to figure out what it is that I did right in the past to bring those things I wanted into my life and keep them there... and what I did wrong when that didn't happen. I still am at a loss for the most part.

Over the years I haven't won very much, but those things I did win, I usually gave away. Odd, but it is how it turned out. I was grateful for winning, don't get me wrong, but other circumstances just always seemed to arise that presented me with the option of giving my winnings away and I always followed that path instead of the more "self" centered (not selfish) one of keeping what I had won. I'm not sure if that had any affect on my life or not but within a few years I no longer won anything. As I said, I didn't win very much, but now and again something would come my way.

I have thought about this and I don't believe I ever drew the conclusion that I wasn't worthy of having these things or thought I wasn't "lucky", etc. And I always gave those things away willingly and happily. Then about four years ago I won a CD from a store. My nephew asked if he could have it since it wasn't a band I listen to, but that time I said "no" and stuck to that decision. I felt guilty about it, and my nephew was actually quite surprised, but I stuck with that decision regardless.

Within a few weeks I began to win small things again... but each time I win, I am again met with the decision to give it away or keep it. Every single time. No matter what I win, there is always someone who wants it... whether it's a free lottery ticket, a few dollars, or a small gift of some sort (such as the doilies I won on a church raffle).

I do try not to think about it when I find out I've won something, which is difficult since it's happened so often. But in the beginning I was always surprised when it happened... and yet, the circumstances just drew the whole situation to that conclusion and I ended up deciding to give my winnings away.

Any thoughts on what's going on here? I'd appreciate any input you may have to help me sort this out.

Live in Light,
Coccinella

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Originally posted by Coccinella:
Hi Cesar,

It's funny you should bring this subject up. I have been trying for the last little while to figure out what it is that I did right in the past to bring those things I wanted into my life and keep them there... and what I did wrong when that didn't happen. I still am at a loss for the most part.

Any thoughts on what's going on here? I'd appreciate any input you may have to help me sort this out.

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The way I see it, you are being very successful in following with the principles of the SOGR. You are creating the material representation of the intent you impress upon the Formless.

If you believe that by giving away your winnings you will get more in return, you will; if you think that by giving them away you are experiencing lack, you will, too!


I heard the story of a preacher who was very good at fundraising for the church projects he was involved in, and he explained it this way:

"I shovel the money I get to these projects as fast as I can, and God shovels money my way as fast as he can; but God has a bigger shovel."

That was his belief, and it became his reality.


Of course, I don't KNOW what you did right or wrong. I don't even believe that, according to the Science of Getting Rich, there are right or wrong results, if you believe that EVERYTHING that happens brings you closer to your goals.

If you hadn't experienced lack and "failure" in your life, you'd never had sought for these principles, you'd never had found this site, you'd never had received the SOGR download by Rebecca, you'd never had participated in these fora, (and the list goes on and on).

So, what "you did wrong" has brought you to this place in time. And if you believe that you're on the right path, what "you did wrong" wasn't wrong at all, was it?


I hope this helps in some way... no, wait. I EXPECT this will help you understand your situation better.

Cesar

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Originally posted by César:
"I shovel the money I get to these projects as fast as I can, and God shovels money my way as fast as he can; but God has a bigger shovel."
Cesar

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Hi Cesar,

Thank you so much for your answer. And you are right. I think sometimes the forest is too thick.

I love this quote. It makes it all so clear somehow... for me at any rate. Thank you for this very powerful vision. If I keep it in my mind, I know I will get what I truly desire. Only I'll be the one with the shovel, not that preacher! Thanks again for helping to clear my mind.

Live in Light,
Coccinella

I just realized that when I replied to this post yesterday I tacked my reply onto a different post. Sorry. Here it is again.
Hannah

Phil, every word you have said so eloquently is absolutely true. I have a question however that I wonder if you have thought about. HOW do you get to that positive knowing that you WILL have what you desire and FEEL as if you have it? I'm struggling with this (oops, struggling is resistance and just in saying that I'm pushing away the answer.... sigh...)
About two years ago I was in the process of divorcing and knew I needed an additional job fast. Everyone told me I was nuts, there were no jobs, that I was way too picky with what I wanted (something to do at home after the hours of my "regular" job, that used my online research skills, etc etc..)and that I was not "facing reality". But, and here's the thing, I somehow KNEW that the job was out there and would reveal itself to me soon. I just KNEW!!! I just FELT relaxed and happy that everything would work out exactly as I "planned". Sure enough I was "guided" to send my resume to some unlikely places and one day I was sitting having coffee with a friend who was trying to tell me to wake up and face reality and my "hopeless" situation, when the call came offering me exactly the job I had "known" was available.
Okay, that being said, I now seem to have lost that ability to "know"! I have absolutely no idea how at that time I had that profound KNOWING that everything would work out. I didn't consciously "try" to have it then and I simply don't know why I had it. So.... I don't know how to get it back! I've opened a freelance research business and would like to manifest clients... and I am reaching for that "knowing" that they are out there.... but.... I just don't have it. So back to my question. I totally absolutely agree with you that that you must be able to envision and feel as if your dream has already manifested, but if that doesn't come naturally, HOW do you do it? How did I do it before when I wasn't even trying? And how do I do it again for the things I want to manifest now?
Whew... sorry this got so long.
Also... are you the same Phil who contributed often to the Lynn Grabhorn discussion? You must be... your writings are so wonderful. Thank you for putting out the effort to share with everyone your gift.
Have you read Lynn's new book? What do you think...
thanks for reading this far!
Hannah

Reply to Hannahâ™s April 25th Post

Dear Hannah,

In response to your question: âHOW do you get to that positive knowing that you WILL have what you desire and FEEL as if you have it?â

It seems to me there are different ways to achieve this desired end. For me, it seems to help if I grow in intellectual understanding. In other words, I think itâ™s good to keep studying to learn and overcome any doubts you have about all of this. For example, a long time ago I read, âPeople donâ™t make you happy or unhappy, you do it to yourself,â and at first I thought, âThat sounds true,â but then I thought, âBut it canâ™t be true because when Mary is nice to me Iâ™m happy, but when sheâ™s not Iâ™m not happy. Therefore, itâ™s Mary whoâ™s controlling my happiness.â

It took me further study to understand that it wasnâ™t Mary who was making me feel however I did, but that it was my thinking -- my evaluations and perceptions about Mary, my beliefs about what her behaviors meant, my evaluations of myself in relationship to Mary, etc. â that were causing me to feel as I did.

In the process of coming to this understanding I had to overcome my RESISTANCE to the truth. Like most people, I had, in some form, been taught my whole life that âother people determine how we feel.â™ I had heard things like, âYou make me so mad,â or, âI feel so happy when youâ™re good,â or, âYou worry me when you do that.â All the sorts of thoughts that would tend to make a person conclude that âothers cause us to feel however we do.â™

Now â finally â I pretty much understand âother people donâ™t cause me to feel however I do.â™ (I say âpretty muchâ™ because I still occasionally have a poor âknee-jerkâ™ reaction to something someone says or does. But it usually only takes me moments to think about it and take back responsibility for my feelings, and then to go on to feeling good about myself and/or the other person.)

My point is, I think greater study and intellectual understanding can help some people get to the actual experience of FEELING GOOD, whether itâ™s about relationships, other people, ourselves, or health, achievement, money, being wealthy, or materially abundant and prosperous, or many other areas of our lives.

BUT Iâ™ll point out that this isnâ™t the case for everyone. Sometimes a person just seems to have no trouble at all feeling good and attracting good things to them. I have at least one theory about this. My theory is: Contrasting events and experiences can sometimes cause an intuitive grasp of a profound truth. For example, when the actor Sidney Poitier was a child he lived in very harsh material conditions. His familyâ™s home was a makeshift shack, made from leftover corrugated metal sheets and pieces of wood, with a dirt floor. He recalls feeling embarrassed because a pair of pants that he wore were from leftover flour sacks that his mother had somehow shaped and sewn into a pair of pants. But also, he remembers a terrific amount of love coming from his mother and father and from being in that family. And so, I think from this contrast, he intuitively grasped that his sense of self, and any good feelings he had had very little to do with what a person has materially. His experience of material lack contrasted with the abundance of love he received gave him a certain âinner knowingâ™ that many of us have to struggle for years to get. It may also have given him an unusual sense of freedom (from materialistic thinking) and an intuitive grasp of the concepts of being creative, self reliant and resourceful, and not necessarily doing things âby the book.â™

So, I suppose Iâ™m saying thereâ™s such a thing as âintuitive knowingâ™ and âintellectual knowingâ™. I think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. (For example, we all seem to harbor a little fear of trusting our intuitions, but also, we all seem to know there is a great difference between intellectually knowing something and emotionally and experientially knowing something, and that our intellects can often only carry us âso farâ™.)

But still, I think, the more you know about something the easier it can be to experience it. The more you know of successful people the more you know itâ™s possible to be successful, for example. (The more we know something CAN be done, the more we are willing to believe that WE can do it.)

And, I think, the more you know of what it takes to be a âDeliberate Creatorâ™ or of the Spiritual Principles governing the Universe, the more you will gain control of your life. But then, I also know that a lot of this kind of knowing will often SEEM pointless. For example, there is the story of the Stonecutter. Briefly it goes like this.

A stonecutter will examine a large boulder, select a spot and then begin hammering at it, with the desired end of splitting the rock. So, heâ™ll strike blow after blow after countless blow, with not the slightest apparent difference being made. But the experienced stonecutter wonâ™t feel discouraged at the apparent lack of results from his efforts because he knows, beneath the surface, cracks are forming. So, as he continues on, finally with one more of maybe hundreds of blows to this seemingly undisturbed rock, the rock suddenly splits in half.

So, you and I may need to go on gaining a little more here and there, getting a slightly better grasp of Universal Truths, getting just a slightly better grasp of how to evolve our feelings, release our habit of blaming and judging, and heal our thinking, until finally one day, the apparent unmovable, invincible obstacles of our lives suddenly give way to the life we had only previously dreamed of.

Compare the Stonecutter story above with what Neville has to say in the following quote, especially with regards to âand it will come suddenly.â™

"First, have a dream, and by a dream I mean a day dream, a glorious, wonderful day dream. Then ask yourself, 'What would it be like if it were true that I am now the man I am dreaming I would like to be. What would it be like?' Then catch the mood of the wish fulfilled and drench yourself with that feeling. Then for all your tomorrows try to the best of your ability to walk faithful to that assumption, and I am telling you from my own experience, in a way that no one knows, it will come and it will come suddenly." â From âImmortal Manâ™

Hannah,

One question I want to leave you with: Do you believe that âNothing outside of you causes you to feel (emotionally) one way or the other?

If not, Iâ™d like to know of an example of where this is not true.

But if you believe it is true, then the question becomes: Why are you (and I ask myself this often) feeling anything less that MAGNIFICENT or TERRIFIC (or Peaceful, Loved, Lovely, etc., etc.)?

And, to me, each time you resolve your feelings you âput another crack in the stone.â™

Phil

p.s. Iâ™m the same Phil.

Phil, thanks for your thoughtful answer. Again I have to say how much I enjoy reading your posts.
But (and here's my "resistance" again I guess) my "problem" is that I really do absolutely believe that we make our own reality, and I DO believe that nobody and nothing can make me feel or not feel something... but I can't figure out how to get myself to that "knowing" that what I wish for is on it's way. Intellectually, I know and have accepted that I am responsible for how I feel, and I'm not blaming anything outside myself for my inability to get back on the good-feeling wave to manifest what I want. And the strange thing is, I've done it before! I've seem how when I do have that absolute "knowing" - that pure belief that what I want is on it's way - it DOES manifest! BUT, and here's the big but, I don't know how or why I HAD that knowing - it seemed to come out of the blue with no conscious decision of mine and therefore I don't know how to get it back...
Just "telling myself" that I should have it isn't working, and using Lynn Grabhorn's techniques of finding something to FEEEEELLLLL good about, while they work, are not the same as the times I've had that wonderful certainty that came out of nowhere.
Does this make sense?
Also, you didn't answer my last question (maybe you didn't want to - fair enough): Did you read Lynn's new book..... and if so what was your reaction?
Speaking of books, when oh when is YOURS coming out??
All the best,
Hannah

Hi Hannah,

As I read your post a thought came to my mind and I am compelled to share it with you.

When you felt so sure that you would find your perfect job, you put total TRUST in the universe (or whatever you call that higher place/spirit) that it was already being manifested and brought to you. And so it was.

That calm, settled, and knowing feeling seems to me to be only about total trust in the universe's capability to bring what you want to fruition. Finding it again means you have to let go of control and put it into the universe's hands again... trusting that what you want will show up and relaxing in that knowledge.

You've asked "how?" to reach that point again and I'm suggesting you need to look closely at whether you are letting go... or hanging on... to the control side of this. If you are, it may be as simple as letting go, settling back, and giving the universe the space to do its magic.

In the first instance that you spoke about, you were calm, not clinging to the idea, but letting it be free to form itself. You didn't control it... but let it control itself. You, naturally, had to make some sort of effort, and you said you sent your resume to unconventional places. This could well indicate you were almost "challenging" the universe to bring you what you wanted from someplace unconventional. You were certainly giving it much more freedom to bring your perfect job to you from wherever it felt most pleased to.

Anyhow, these are but a couple of thoughts that wandered into my mind as I read your post. Don't know if it helps or not... but I felt I needed to share them with you.

Good luck and have a great day!

Live in Light,
Coccinella

Reply to your April 26th post.

Dear Hannah,

Iâ™m going to take another shot at answering what seem to be your major questions in this post.

(One: I havenâ™t read Lynnâ™s new book, so I canâ™t say much about it.)

(Two: I feel like I AM writing a book.)

I think everything is Cause and Effect. And I believe that nothing is an accident. But I also have had the experience of things seeming to âcome out of the blueâ™ or âthat wonderful certainty that [seemingly] came out of nowhere.â™ But if nothing is an accident and Cause and Effect are constants, then âthings seeming to come out of the blueâ™ is also subject to Cause and Effect. So, one question this brings up might be: What is really the nature of experiences that seem to âcome out of the blueâ™?

The thought âit came out of the blueâ™ is a belief or perception. I think that when we believe something has âcome out of the blueâ™ we believe this because we have forgotten for the moment that we have somehow PREPARED or laid the groundwork for such events.

For example, when I met a certain attractive lady and had the experience of it turning into some wonderful experiences, it SEEMED spontaneous. But I can tell you that I had also previously done a lot of âimaginary workâ™ towards this in the past (though I didnâ™t think about it at the time). I had also previously PREPARED myself for this opportunity (again, I hadnâ™t thought of this preparation at the time of meeting her). At some point I had previously read and studied what it takes to have real confidence and self assurance. I had previously studied what it takes to genuinely enjoy anotherâ™s company. I had previously, over a lengthy period of time, overcome many doubts about myself and doubts about my ability to BE with someone like this.

Now, what I DIDNâ™T know was, I didnâ™t know if or when Iâ™d ever really meet such a person, so when I did, it did seem to have an aura of âcoming out of the blueâ™. But now, with your questions and upon reflection, I think this is what is the unseen nature of âthings coming out of the blue.â™

We PREPARE for things, in countless ways, in ways we may not even recall. So when events or opportunities come upon us (via Law of Attraction), if we have prepared ourselves POSITIVELY we experience âthat wonderful certainty that came out of nowhere.â™ (And if we have unwittingly prepared ourselves negatively, we get opportunities and find ourselves feeling more like scared rabbits.)

I hope this helps explain things âcoming out of the blue.â™ Itâ™s my present contention that they do not, but they SEEM to because weâ™ve forgotten all that weâ™ve done to CAUSE them.

Now, your other concern was âI can't figure out how to get myself to that "knowing" that what I wish for is on its way.â

In a certain story where drought is a problem, the Bible says, âDig your ditches [in preparation for rain] even when there is not a cloud in the sky.â

Wattles says, âTo look upon the appearances of poverty will produce corresponding forms in your own mind, UNLESS you hold to the truth that there is no poverty; there is only abundance. To think health when surrounded by the appearances of disease or to think riches when in the midst of the appearances of poverty requires power, but whoever acquires this power becomes a mastermind.â

In other words, to get to that âknowingâ™ that you want, you need to deny the permanence of anything undesirable. And you need to become consistent in affirming and believing in the conditions you WANT.

Also, I think itâ™s important that you change from âwhat I wish for is on its wayâ to getting into the feeling that YOU ALREADY HAVE the things you wish for. (To have something âon its wayâ™ is to always put it out of reach, in the future.)

So, what can you do towards this end? Look at it this way. IF you were to have all that you really want, what would you experience? You would experience INNER PEACE, LOVE, WELL BEING, JOY, HAPPINESS, GLADNESS, APPRECIATION, EASE or any other GOOD FEELING.

So, in every moment that you can be conscious of how you are thinking, think of what you can appreciate, be glad about, or feel good about.

The Bible provides an apt thought: âWhatever is is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.â

And also: PREPARE FOR SUCCESS. For example, if you want to be a doctor or lawyer, prepare yourself mentally to accept and handle the opportunity for the right schooling and study. Sense the joy of being a healer, or of successfully resolving disputes. If you want to prosper through business, prepare yourself (joyfully and peacefully) to handle business in extraordinary ways. Identify with leaders in your field of desire. Imagine yourself in comparable positions, handling your affairs with grace and wisdom. If you want successful relationships, mentally prepare yourself for these. See and feel yourself enjoying the relationships you desire. Feel the love. Feel the touch of love. Feel the warmth of love. Feel the fun you want to have. Sense the belonging, caring, strength, wisdom and kindness of love.

Do these things consistently and I think what you will find is, you will â more and more â establish within yourself new beliefs, and ultimately the âknowingâ™ you want. I recall what Wayne Dyer said about the power of beliefs: Youâ™ll See It When You Believe It.

Phil

Wow, there are some very inspirational people on this board! I can't thank you enough for your answers! I read through them twice nodding my head thinking "yes, right, of course!"
I'm feeling very positive right now. I'm paving the way for those clients to find me, but without fretting or "hi-ho-silvering" to get them. Tomorrow I'm going to get my printer fixed and lay in some supplies I'll need when those clients start pouring in orders!
As Mike Dooley (www.TUT.com)says: "The Universe is your supply, and it's ways are infinite".
Thanks again,
Hannah

I have just joined and am so pleased with all of the inspirational messages I have read tonight. I am ready for the adventure!

I've also noticed that belief/Faith/Trust seems to be the one thing we need before we can get anything but obtaining a belief or trust isnt as easy as it is said it's like if we can put or belief in God or the Universe this helps alot because then you are letting go It seems to me that Belief + Faith + Love = Truth. Love is stronger than any fear and most negative thoughts stem from fear so to change to the positive if we think of love when this happens it helps to stop and to just know that the love is stronger than the fear.

Peace